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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:00 pm 
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I think it is a daft rule that the wife needs to buy a car when we have one sitting outside the house. I am all for having the spouse named on the insurance as a driver. No one with any sense would take the chance to ply for hire as i am sure that you would get slammed by the law if you did.

According to the mass hysteria being spewed up from the unions if your not a licensed driver your a rapist.

Folks reading the 100s of 1000s of posts on TDO know otherwise. :sad:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:01 pm 
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If it's already easy and we have problems why would it be better to make it easier?

Because it's not being made easier, it's just not being made harder.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:37 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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If it's already easy and we have problems why would it be better to make it easier?

Because it's not being made easier, it's just not being made harder.


Well perhaps they should be looking at making it harder then :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:02 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Because it's not being made easier, it's just not being made harder.

Which scenario is easier:

1. "Lend us the keys to your PH Car, I'm going out for a bit".

2. "I'm just going to make some fake stickers, a fake plate, fix them to the car and then I'm going out for a bit."

Seems obvious which is easier to me!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:29 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Because it's not being made easier, it's just not being made harder.

Which scenario is easier:

1. "Lend us the keys to your PH Car, I'm going out for a bit".

2. "I'm just going to make some fake stickers, a fake plate, fix them to the car and then I'm going out for a bit."

Seems obvious which is easier to me!

Scenario 1 requires the licensed driver to be a fool. I mean, how many people would just lend their own private car to someone who is not likely to be covered by the insurance/
Scenario 2 requires the person to go and pay about £20-30 quid for some magnetic signs to be made and put them on either his own car or a stolen car.
I think Scenario 2 is the less risky.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:55 pm 
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I think the MK case shows how easily people are fooled about people they think they know. At the moment a driver isn't likely to put his non licenced mate on his insurance because he can't, but, imagine if he could :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:57 pm 
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The Suzy Lamplugh Trust aren't against it because it is fun to take on the establishment, they can see the very clear dangers.

Some more for your consideration:

The LA provide on their website (or even as an App) a Licensed Vehicle checker, as some now do and more will in the near future.

1. The young Lady types in "123" and the answer comes back "Blue Skoda Octavia - Registration No AB09 ABC - Licence expiry 25 December 2014". The vehicle matches the description, all is OK - except the PH Car is being borrowed by someone who is not a Licensed Driver but who is insured to drive the vehicle.

2. The young Lady types in "123" and the answer comes back "Blue Skoda Octavia - Registration No AB09 ABC - Licence expiry 25 December 2014". The vehicle does not match the description - problem.

3. The young Lady types in "123" and the answer comes back "There are no Licensed Vehicles in this Local Authority Area with that Licence number".

Now to be absolutely clear, I am in Plymouth. The 3 mad revisions being considered in the Deregulation Bill being considered will not change anything in Plymouth as it not amending the Plymouth City Council Act 1975. But I care because when all this is abused, and it will be abused, all Taxi and PH drivers, in all areas will be distrusted.

I was against this in Law Commission Report and will lobby to get them removed from there as well, but at least there it also gave powers to LA Enforcement Officers, this safeguard is missing in these ill-conceived ideas.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:24 am 
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toots wrote:
I think the MK case shows how easily people are fooled about people they think they know. At the moment a driver isn't likely to put his non licenced mate on his insurance because he can't, but, imagine if he could :wink:

But why would he want to put his mate on his insurance? His mate could end up crashing the car and then he would lose his income.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:26 am 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
The Suzy Lamplugh Trust aren't against it because it is fun to take on the establishment, they can see the very clear dangers.

Some more for your consideration:

The LA provide on their website (or even as an App) a Licensed Vehicle checker, as some now do and more will in the near future.

1. The young Lady types in "123" and the answer comes back "Blue Skoda Octavia - Registration No AB09 ABC - Licence expiry 25 December 2014". The vehicle matches the description, all is OK - except the PH Car is being borrowed by someone who is not a Licensed Driver but who is insured to drive the vehicle.




See answer above.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:31 am 
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grandad wrote:
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I think the MK case shows how easily people are fooled about people they think they know. At the moment a driver isn't likely to put his non licenced mate on his insurance because he can't, but, imagine if he could :wink:

But why would he want to put his mate on his insurance? His mate could end up crashing the car and then he would lose his income.


Sometimes you can be a little naive

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:14 pm 
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toots wrote:
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I think the MK case shows how easily people are fooled about people they think they know. At the moment a driver isn't likely to put his non licenced mate on his insurance because he can't, but, imagine if he could :wink:

But why would he want to put his mate on his insurance? His mate could end up crashing the car and then he would lose his income.


Sometimes you can be a little naive

No, I think you are trying to create a problem where non exists.
It wouldn't matter how good a mate someone is to me, If they asked to be put on my insurance and borrow my private hire car late at night, the most likely time to carry out the sort of activity you seem to suggest, the answer would be no. And for the life of me, I can't think of any law abiding citizen who would do otherwise.

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grandad wrote:
No, I think you are trying to create a problem where non exists.


It doesn't exist because its not law yet.

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No, I think you are trying to create a problem where non exists.


It doesn't exist because its not law yet.

I don't think it will exist when it is law.

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[quote"Grandad"]It wouldn't matter how good a mate someone is to me, If they asked to be put on my insurance and borrow my private hire car late at night, the most likely time to carry out the sort of activity you seem to suggest, the answer would be no. And for the life of me, I can't think of any law abiding citizen who would do otherwise.[/quote]

You don't seem to realise that a lot of the grooming in Rotherham occurred when children were collected from school, this isn't late at night and nobody gives a second glance at a taxi/ph picking children up from school. As I said you appear a little naive because you seem to think that good people don't know bad people and that nobody is going to lend their vehicle to their mate.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:44 pm 
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toots wrote:
[quote"Grandad"]It wouldn't matter how good a mate someone is to me, If they asked to be put on my insurance and borrow my private hire car late at night, the most likely time to carry out the sort of activity you seem to suggest, the answer would be no. And for the life of me, I can't think of any law abiding citizen who would do otherwise.


You don't seem to realise that a lot of the grooming in Rotherham occurred when children were collected from school, this isn't late at night and nobody gives a second glance at a taxi/ph picking children up from school. As I said you appear a little naive because you seem to think that good people don't know bad people and that nobody is going to lend their vehicle to their mate.[/quote]
Wasn't the grooming in Rotherham carried out by licensed drivers in licensed vehicles? These would be the drivers who would lend their cars out now so the changes would not change that scenario.

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