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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:37 pm 
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[quote"Grandad"]It wouldn't matter how good a mate someone is to me, If they asked to be put on my insurance and borrow my private hire car late at night, the most likely time to carry out the sort of activity you seem to suggest, the answer would be no. And for the life of me, I can't think of any law abiding citizen who would do otherwise.


You don't seem to realise that a lot of the grooming in Rotherham occurred when children were collected from school, this isn't late at night and nobody gives a second glance at a taxi/ph picking children up from school. As I said you appear a little naive because you seem to think that good people don't know bad people and that nobody is going to lend their vehicle to their mate.

Wasn't the grooming in Rotherham carried out by licensed drivers in licensed vehicles? These would be the drivers who would lend their cars out now so the changes would not change that scenario.[/quote]

Not all of it by licenced drivers, the point is it's already happening and you want to make it easier for these people to have access to licenced vehicles. If I had faith in the enforcement of of such vehicles to ensure that they were being driven by responsible people who won't take the opportunity to work when the original driver isn't using the vehicle I too may see things in a similar but naive way

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Because it's not being made easier, it's just not being made harder.

Which scenario is easier:

1. "Lend us the keys to your PH Car, I'm going out for a bit".

2. "I'm just going to make some fake stickers, a fake plate, fix them to the car and then I'm going out for a bit."

Seems obvious which is easier to me!

Are you really saying rapists are waiting in an orderly queue for the Dereg Bill?

Rapists will do their disgusting deeds no matter what, and [edited by admin] punters will get into any vehicle late at night.

The Dereg Bill will have no effect on the number of rapes committed by unlicensed vehicles.

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No, I think you are trying to create a problem where non exists.


It doesn't exist because its not law yet.

Well it is in London, and no one has been lobbying against it there.

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Sussex,

Are you really saying rapists are waiting in an orderly queue for the Dereg Bill?

No of course I am not saying that, I am saying that when the EASIER opportunity is available IT WILL BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.

Rapists will do their disgusting deeds no matter what, and [edited by admin] punters will get into any vehicle late at night.

Yes they will and yes they will, but it is not the point I am making.

The Dereg Bill will have no effect on the number of rapes committed by unlicensed vehicles.

You are entirely correct, but there will be some in Licenced Vehicles being driven by un-licenced drivers.

With the lobbying going on, with the cross party commitments to object to these amendments by Peers, I am hoping that we are actually wasting our time discussing this as they will fall in the House of Lords. Time will tell.

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No, I think you are trying to create a problem where non exists.


It doesn't exist because its not law yet.

Well it is in London, and no one has been lobbying against it there.


Quite right they're not lobbying against it there, but, they do have a particularly high % of such incidents in London. I guess that's just coincidence

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Quite right they're not lobbying against it there, but, they do have a particularly high % of such incidents in London. I guess that's just coincidence

But most, if not all, attacks on punters are carried out by licensed drivers in licensed cars, or unlicensed drivers in unlicensed cars.

The scaremongering we hear, from people who should know better, is about this mythical amount of unlicensed drivers in licensed cars, who have the permission of the licensed driver to be in the vehicle.

It doesn't happen.

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Sussex wrote:

The scaremongering we hear, from people who should know better, is about this mythical amount of unlicensed drivers in licensed cars, who have the permission of the licensed driver to be in the vehicle.

It doesn't happen.


the figures aren't kept, so we don't know :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
But most, if not all, attacks on punters are carried out by licensed drivers in licensed cars, or unlicensed drivers in unlicensed cars.

The scaremongering we hear, from people who should know better, is about this mythical amount of unlicensed drivers in licensed cars, who have the permission of the licensed driver to be in the vehicle.

It doesn't happen.


It may happen even now, it may not.

It will happen when driving a Licenced Vehicle as an un-licensed PH driver is itself allowed.

All should be done to proscribe opportunity, this will provide opportunity.

Perhaps people would know better if they considered the ramifications properly.

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Chris the Fish wrote:
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But most, if not all, attacks on punters are carried out by licensed drivers in licensed cars, or unlicensed drivers in unlicensed cars.

The scaremongering we hear, from people who should know better, is about this mythical amount of unlicensed drivers in licensed cars, who have the permission of the licensed driver to be in the vehicle.

It doesn't happen.


It may happen even now, it may not.

It will happen when driving a Licenced Vehicle as an un-licensed PH driver is itself allowed.

How do you know it WILL happen?

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captain cab wrote:
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The scaremongering we hear, from people who should know better, is about this mythical amount of unlicensed drivers in licensed cars, who have the permission of the licensed driver to be in the vehicle.

It doesn't happen.


the figures aren't kept, so we don't know :wink:

Because if I was wrong you would have put up the links. :wink:

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Because if I was wrong you would have put up the links. :wink:


and the dft would have came up with something for the government to shout about :lol:

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grandad wrote:
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But most, if not all, attacks on punters are carried out by licensed drivers in licensed cars, or unlicensed drivers in unlicensed cars.

The scaremongering we hear, from people who should know better, is about this mythical amount of unlicensed drivers in licensed cars, who have the permission of the licensed driver to be in the vehicle.

It doesn't happen.


It may happen even now, it may not.

It will happen when driving a Licenced Vehicle as an un-licensed PH driver is itself allowed.

How do you know it WILL happen?


Are you saying it won't?

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gusmac wrote:
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It will happen when driving a Licenced Vehicle as an un-licensed PH driver is itself allowed.

How do you know it WILL happen?


Are you saying it won't?

I am saying that it is no more likely to happen.

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I'd say it is more likely rather than less likely.

I wouldn't say it will or won't happen. Only that the probability is increased.

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I'd say it is more likely rather than less likely.

I wouldn't say it will or won't happen. Only that the probability is increased.


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