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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:41 pm 
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Scottish referendum: So how about the English now being given a chance to split from England?

Leaving Britain would mean no longer being ruled by a government that blames the poor for swiping all the wealth


I bet David Cameron regrets panicking about what the result was going to be now. By 5am he must have been screaming, “Oh [edited by admin], how much power have I offered them?”


Two days before the referendum it seemed he was about to say, “All right Scotland, you can have full independence, but only if you vote against independence.” Alistair Darling looked as if he would go on Channel 4 News to announce, “Look, vote NO and I’ll get you a puppy. All right then, a meerkat. One each”.

Then the party leaders screamed at each other, “Get Gordon, they might listen to him”. “But you called him a gibbering t*** who literally dunked all the country’s money in a pond of cat [edited by admin]!” “I don’t care, he doesn’t sound posh and can shout. They like that up there, get him quick!”

Then they suddenly blurted out promises of extra powers, with no thought behind them at all, such as “Vote NO and if you like you can be part of Brazil,” so now they’re all wondering how they’re going to implement any of this.

They’ve even announced a timetable for introducing the new powers they haven’t thought of, so the schedule is, “By as soon as next week we’ll have opened up a Word document. Over Christmas we’ll consult someone, maybe David Dickinson if he’s not in pantomime. Then by January at the latest we’ll announce to Parliament that we’ve kicked it about a bit, then it should become law one afternoon.”

Cameron must be thinking, “I wonder if we could get Lord Leveson to hold an inquiry? That should take us into the 34th century, then we can ignore the results from there”.

Already there are MPs promising to oppose bits of a Bill that hasn’t been thought up yet, grumbling, “There is no way I can agree to either a greater or lesser amount of anything, whatever it is or isn’t, as this would make a mockery of our historic Union, and ruin the lives of my constituents here in Surrey”.

Many of them are grumbling that England will have no power left and needs its own parliament, and Cameron seems keen to satisfy them, so we’ll end up with a system in which Scotland takes over on a Wednesday, or Holyrood can run things that begin with K. Then they’ll start a war with Kenya and the whole thing will unravel again. But the biggest problem might be that extra bits of power, whatever they are, won’t satisfy anyone, because the Yes vote didn’t seem to be motivated mostly by nationalism.

For example, there was surprise that some areas where the SNP attracts high votes didn’t support independence. This might seem peculiar, that thousands of people think, “The party I support is the Scottish nationalists. The only thing I don’t agree with them on is Scottish nationalism.”

And the Yes vote was often highest in the poorer areas, with little tradition of nationalism. Maybe this was because much of the Yes campaign, especially at a local level, was about issues such as the bedroom tax and preserving the NHS. Labour’s John Reid complained about this on the results programme, saying it was unfair to bring in “all sorts of other issues” like that.

And you can see what he means, because this referendum was supposed to deal with serious matters, not trivia such as being forced to move from your house.

For many who voted Yes, it appeared that what they wished to be independent from wasn’t England but English austerity. Leaving Britain would mean no longer being ruled by a government that blames the poor for swiping all the wealth, and then gives it to the wealthy through new rules such as the bedroom tax.

So what a liberty to raise an issue like that in a referendum.

A disappointed 'Yes' campaigners reacting to Scotland's decision to stay in the union with a David Cameron mask at George Square in Glasgow A disappointed 'Yes' campaigners reacting to Scotland's decision to stay in the union with a David Cameron mask at George Square in Glasgow Also, had Scotland been independent, they wouldn’t have been dragged into other bits of tittle-tattle like the Iraq war. These issues aren’t nationalist, aren’t even necessarily Scottish, and many who voted No would be as adamantly against them as those who voted Yes.

But they do suggest a way out of the constitutional puzzle we’re in. The English should now have a referendum, in which the English decide whether we want to leave England or not. Yes campaigners can insist we have nothing against England, and even wish to remain on healthy terms with England, but we’d rather go our own way and no longer be dragged into wars and bedroom taxes and privatisations of railways and mail services. We might even come back one day, but for the time being we’ll set up our own country and start all over again, and if England won’t let us keep the pound we’ll go into a currency union with Scotland.

Who could argue against that? Especially as the one part everyone seems able to agree on, and this started as soon as the high turnout was known, is the Scottish did really well. All night the politicians and commentators came on to say, “HAVEN’T we been good at voting? HAVEN’T we been good? YES we have, LOTS of you managed it DIDN’T you? Eighty-four per cent – that’s a LOT, YES it is. ALL on your own, you went ALL on your own and put the little cross in the box really, really well, you CLEVER things.”

So the Scots are sure to be looked after from now on.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 45307.html

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:50 am 
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A clever article. Tbh I am flabbergasted that Smith still has anyone wanting to listen to listen to anything he utters.

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So the Scots are sure to be looked after from now on.


Thanks to the Scots I believe that all of the U.K nations will now live better, and have a better life style.......this has been a massive wake up call to Westminster & Brussels. The slightest blip in the future affecting Scotland along with further delving into figures of Oil reserves will keep the pot boiling and boiling.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:35 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:

Thanks to the Scots I believe that all of the U.K nations will now live better, and have a better life style.

I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Non of these decisions will make one iota of difference to the man on the street IMHO.

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grandad wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:

Thanks to the Scots I believe that all of the U.K nations will now live better, and have a better life style.

I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Non of these decisions will make one iota of difference to the man on the street IMHO.


I am thinking that the dye has been cast, in the sense that the political scene is in the first stages of change/soon will be. The Arabs are doing it their way i.e through violence. This is the first part of European unrest in a democracy, watch other parts of the continent who will now be wanting to break away from their respective governments!

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Cabby John 1 wrote:
grandad wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:

Thanks to the Scots I believe that all of the U.K nations will now live better, and have a better life style.

I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Non of these decisions will make one iota of difference to the man on the street IMHO.


I am thinking that the dye has been cast, in the sense that the political scene is in the first stages of change/soon will be. The Arabs are doing it their way i.e through violence. This is the first part of European unrest in a democracy, watch other parts of the continent who will now be wanting to break away from their respective governments!

So what do you think will change in your own way of life? Decisions will still be made by politicians, spending will still need to be curbed or taxes raised.

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So what do you think will change in your own way of life? Decisions will still be made by politicians, spending will still need to be curbed or taxes raised.



The money issues/decisions that you mention, will be made regardless, as they are every day part of politics. The proof of the pudding will be HOW these matters are now dealt with. I really feel that the political field is going to be changed big time - disaffection all around - NO turning back. They made promises as politicians do.....without thinking #-o This time they will be made to account =D>

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Cabby John 1 wrote:
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So what do you think will change in your own way of life? Decisions will still be made by politicians, spending will still need to be curbed or taxes raised.



The money issues/decisions that you mention, will be made regardless, as they are every day part of politics. The proof of the pudding will be HOW these matters are now dealt with. I really feel that the political field is going to be changed big time - disaffection all around - NO turning back. They made promises as politicians do.....without thinking #-o This time they will be made to account =D>

They will be dealt with in exactly the same way as they always have. The political field will stay the same, the colours may change but you seem to think that the whole thing is run by the politicians, it isn't, it is run by civil servants. Your life and my life will not change.

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England to split suit yerself i#ll have London twice the population of Jockland and 3 times the economy :D

You can keep Rotherham, Sheep shaggers ville, Cumbrain dope land .....................and the rest onwards to a Socialist republic of London ................with a mausoleum with the stuffed corpses of the royal Parasites ............................now that would be a tourist attraction =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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England to split suit yerself i#ll have London twice the population of Jockland and 3 times the economy :D

You can keep Rotherham, Sheep shaggers ville, Cumbrain dope land .....................and the rest onwards to a Socialist republic of London ................with a mausoleum with the stuffed corpses of the royal Parasites ............................now that would be a tourist attraction =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


London produces feck all, it's a financial centre, full of politicians, bankers and number crunchers they put sweet FA into the economy of the country. They only screw people over. :-|

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London produces feck all, it's a financial centre, full of politicians, bankers and number crunchers they put sweet FA into the economy of the country. They only screw people over. :-|


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Skull wrote:

London produces feck all, it's a financial centre, full of politicians, bankers and number crunchers they put sweet FA into the economy of the country. They only screw people over. :-|


You noticed?

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England to split suit yerself i#ll have London twice the population of Jockland and 3 times the economy :D



I aint sure if you noticed terry, but London has a tory mayor, its profits are generated by the city which, as the right honourable gent from Edinburgh (rough end) points out, is usually generated by sh*fting over the working people from the UK and around the world.

Profit over people old chap, profit over people.

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captain cab wrote:
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England to split suit yerself i#ll have London twice the population of Jockland and 3 times the economy :D



I aint sure if you noticed terry, but London has a tory mayor, its profits are generated by the city which, as the right honourable gent from Edinburgh (rough end) points out, is usually generated by sh*fting over the working people from the UK and around the world.

Profit over people old chap, profit over people.


Ah you noticed .............................amazed anyone took it seriously :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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London probably makes more from financial transactions per year than Jockistan could possibly make from the north sea oil, not that its scottish oil...

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London probably makes more from financial transactions per year than Jockistan could possibly make from the north sea oil, not that its scottish oil...


Just how profitable would this business have been if astronomical amounts of UK tax payers' money hadn't been used to bail them all out?

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