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 Post subject: Re: Alan Henning
PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:28 pm 
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Well they do say that history repeats itself. #-o

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Only when people fail to learn from it. 8)

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Only when people fail to learn from it. 8)



Someones got to stop such people or no one on the planet will be safe..Oil or no fechin Oil.


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Someones got to stop such people or no one on the planet will be safe..Oil or no fechin Oil.


Absolutely!!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Someones got to stop such people or no one on the planet will be safe..Oil or no fechin Oil.


Absolutely!!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


Should that be the same people who set them up in the first place?

5 years from now, will bloodnock and Skull be calling for the extermination of the next bunch of nut-jobs that are funded and armed to the hilt by the US or UK, when they decide not to play the part written for them in the game?

Like I said, there will always be another IS. That's inevitable - unless we stop playing their game and start doing something about the players.

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I think you should learn more about what IS stands for and how it was formed before making the assumption that it was created by the UK and US arming religious nutters to the teeth. While it has to be said that our foreign policy and trade in arms did not help, the ISIS goal is simply about the creation of a Global Caliphate and it doesn’t get any more complicated than that. It’s Islam and Sharia Law or nothing. There is no negotiating with these people and no living with theme either. :-|

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Gus, a comment like that is nothing more than a sound bite or snap shot of a far more complex situation. And while there may be some truth in what the author writes, it is typically a rehash of something that’s been said many times before and does not confront the serious issue of religious fanaticism within Islam.

And as I have said many times before, IS want nothing short of a pure Islamic State governed by Sharia Law. They believe that Sharia Law comes directly from God and cannot be changed or improved upon. In short, they do not want any kind of western influence that might corrupt their vision of a road back to the time of their Prophet and they will murder anyone who gets in their way, Muslim or Christian alike. :-|

IS is not something that can be ignored any longer. :-|



The UK and the U.S created this monster by arming them in Syria and Lybia, now they've turned against the UK and U.S with the weapons supplied by the UK and U.S all hell is going to break loose. Typical Cameron though, never let anything get in the way of a good business deal when selling arms to rebels.


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The UK and the U.S created this monster by arming them in Syria and Lybia, now they've turned against the UK and U.S with the weapons supplied by the UK and U.S all hell is going to break loose. Typical Cameron though, never let anything get in the way of a good business deal when selling arms to rebels.


No. The UK and the U.S never created this monster but they did, at least to some extent, arm these groups but then so did other countries. The same could be said about Argentina and the battle for the Falkland Islands. The trade in arms technology is simply the way the world works. And it’s the old adage, if we didn’t do it… :shock:

ISIS is built on the foundations of religious fanaticism. They don’t want to embrace a decadent western democracy or to live with people of different faiths or beliefs. It’s Islam and Sharia Law or nothing. :-|

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The UK and the U.S created this monster by arming them in Syria and Lybia, now they've turned against the UK and U.S with the weapons supplied by the UK and U.S all hell is going to break loose. Typical Cameron though, never let anything get in the way of a good business deal when selling arms to rebels.


No. The UK and the U.S never created this monster but they did, at least to some extent, arm these groups but then so did other countries. The same could be said about Argentina and the battle for the Falkland Islands. The trade in arms technology is simply the way the world works. And it’s the old adage, if we didn’t do it… :shock:

ISIS is built on the foundations of religious fanaticism. They don’t want to embrace a decadent western democracy or to live with people of different faiths or beliefs. It’s Islam and Sharia Law or nothing. :-|



Yes but the Government jumped in bed with them when they wanted to overthrow Gadafi and Assad, I bet they wise Gadafi was still alive. As for Assad well, how they need him now. If I was Assad I'd be sticking two fingers up at both the UK and the USA.


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Anyone Liberally soft enough in the head to believe all that "The Meek shall inherit the Earth" shite will just end up losing their own head as these murderers take over the world.

Our whole Counties going soft, we will be a relatively easy push over one day soon, We are running down our Military might, Our lefty and Liberal moralists are turning us into a nation of House Husbands and Soft lads, You see youngsters across there playing with Kalashnikovs and Grenades and learning how to use them..whilst over here our soft Governments would ban us from Airguns and Threepenny bangers.

We've gone soft, I think the Americans have a better outlook on things, at least they have a right to arm and defend themselves.


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The UK and the U.S created this monster by arming them in Syria and Lybia, now they've turned against the UK and U.S with the weapons supplied by the UK and U.S all hell is going to break loose. Typical Cameron though, never let anything get in the way of a good business deal when selling arms to rebels.


No. The UK and the U.S never created this monster but they did, at least to some extent, arm these groups but then so did other countries. The same could be said about Argentina and the battle for the Falkland Islands. The trade in arms technology is simply the way the world works. And it’s the old adage, if we didn’t do it… :shock:

ISIS is built on the foundations of religious fanaticism. They don’t want to embrace a decadent western democracy or to live with people of different faiths or beliefs. It’s Islam and Sharia Law or nothing. :-|



Yes but the Government jumped in bed with them when they wanted to overthrow Gadafi and Assad, I bet they wise Gadafi was still alive. As for Assad well, how they need him now. If I was Assad I'd be sticking two fingers up at both the UK and the USA.


Yes, the west has created a power vacuum but you don’t think that Gaddafi or Assad had problems with religious fanaticism before the west arrived of course they did. The Gaddafi’s and Assad’s of this world were fighting internal struggles of their own against these groups, in an attempt to modernise their own countries, which invariably means doing deals with the west by trading in oil for arms and technology. It’s a dirty job and all that… However, what we have now are religious fanatics who believe the only way forward is to create a global caliphate by killing everyone in their path.

Their war is not political it’s ideological, and they think Allah is calling the shots. #-o

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Anyone Liberally soft enough in the head to believe all that "The Meek shall inherit the Earth" shite will just end up losing their own head as these murderers take over the world.

Our whole Counties going soft, we will be a relatively easy push over one day soon, We are running down our Military might, Our lefty and Liberal moralists are turning us into a nation of House Husbands and Soft lads, You see youngsters across there playing with Kalashnikovs and Grenades and learning how to use them..whilst over here our soft Governments would ban us from Airguns and Threepenny bangers.

We've gone soft, I think the Americans have a better outlook on things, at least they have a right to arm and defend themselves.


Winston got it right!

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the
Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.


Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde
force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant
and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising
fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the
strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”


This quotation was written well over one hundred years ago and here we are now ... :shock:

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Their war is not political it’s ideological, and they think Allah is calling the shots. #-o


Wrong, it's both. You're just not seeing the bigger picture.

What IS was about should have concerned the west when they were arming, training and funding them for their own POLITICAL and economic ends. FFS it was only last year that the west wanted to fight alongside these idiots against Assad.
Just how far do you suppose they would have got with 4 camels, 6 swords and a copy of the Koran? The west thought they could use these lunatics to do their bidding. IS took what was on offer and are now pursuing their own IDEOLOGY with the means supplied by us. The same mistake the US made in Afghanistan during the 80's and the same mistake made over and over since.
This is what happens when politicians decide my enemy's enemy is my friend, and it will keep on happening until our governments stop interfering in situations we do not understand.

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Their war is not political it’s ideological, and they think Allah is calling the shots. #-o


Wrong, it's both. You're just not seeing the bigger picture.

What IS was about should have concerned the west when they were arming, training and funding them for their own POLITICAL and economic ends. FFS it was only last year that the west wanted to fight alongside these idiots against Assad.
Just how far do you suppose they would have got with 4 camels, 6 swords and a copy of the Koran? The west thought they could use these lunatics to do their bidding. IS took what was on offer and are now pursuing their own IDEOLOGY with the means supplied by us. The same mistake the US made in Afghanistan during the 80's and the same mistake made over and over since.
This is what happens when politicians decide my enemy's enemy is my friend, and it will keep on happening until our governments stop interfering in situations we do not understand.


Wrong Gus, IS is ideological and not political. A Caliphate is a theocracy ruled by supreme religious leader and Sharia Law is considered to be the literal word of God. There is no democratic process or elected leaders acting on behalf of its people. In fact, IS is against any sort of elected government or political leadership.

As for arming IS, I don't think anyone considered they were supporting religious jihad against the west, until this group broke away from al-Qaeda. Oh and a lot of their weaponry is Russian. So yes, while we haven't done ourselves any favours, it doesn't change the fact, they need to be stopped. :-|

Oh and if I were you, I would read the quotation above from Winston Churchill, he was right when he wrote this piece over hundred years ago and even more so now. You could say Churchill was a prophet in his own right and seen this coming. :shock:

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Wrong Gus, IS is ideological and not political. A Caliphate is a theocracy ruled by supreme religious leader and Sharia Law is considered to be the literal word of God. There is no democratic process or elected leaders acting on behalf of its people. In fact, IS is against any sort of elected government or political leadership.


What IS believe is ideological. Backing these morons was a political and an economic decision.

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As for arming IS, I don't think anyone considered they were supporting religious jihad against the west, until this group broke away from al-Qaeda.

And while they were part of al-Qaeda, supporting them was OK? #-o

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Oh and a lot of their weaponry is Russian. So yes, while we haven't done ourselves any favours, it doesn't change the fact, they need to be stopped. :-|

I agree they need to be stopped but so do those who set them loose for their own ends.
If nothing is done, it will happen again and we will all be back here in a few years time with another threat needing to be stopped.
Another hefty price to pay in our children's' lives and our tax money.

It's time we said enough, we're not playing your game anymore.


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