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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:14 pm 
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"The law states a council cannot refuse a license unless it can prove there is no demand for the services of Taxis that is not being met. The law also states that a council is allowed six months in which to determine an application.

There has been no refusal. The time limits are not written in stone, as has been shown by the grant of an extension.

Your other questions, I will require to look out the paperwork for them!!!"


so what happens if the council doesnt have the survey by the end of october?
having failed to put it through all the relevant commitees?
we already know that they have sworn in court to rush this through bypassing the hire car consultation group,scrutiny panels.,etc
should they then be given more time and more time again?

I thought they said it could be rushed through earlier by bypassing certain stages and committees but October would allow the full democratic process?
Lost the specs again?


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dundee wav wrote

"its now over a year and a half since dundee was deregulated plus the seventy odd plates won by 203020 which represented ten percent of the total hack numbers prior to deregulation, and the situation is that the old plate holders who relied heavily on drivers are reporting big losses
the ops who drive their own cabs are reporting minor losses the new ops are saying either they are making the same or if they have a driver are better off, before dundee dregulation this site was full of hack owners shouting off some become quite aggressive just like the edinburgh situation but now everyone are pals again, its not nearly as bad as everyone thought it would be, dundee has probably went through one of the biggest changes, imagine your manor issuing ten percent of the hack numbers to one company then opening up to wavs ?the doom and gloom has not appeared in dundee at least no plates were surrendered when they were due to be renewed many thought 150 plus would go back
but the figures talk for themselves, but the old ops will probably say different, one problem dundee has is dundee private hire putting all the dole claimants through their badges this is acounting for nearly 90 per cent of new badge holders but the old ops think this is ok?maybe part of the cab test should be higher maths, the number of cabs in our office handys the biggest in dundee has also dropped this is also going against the too many taxis claim, quality controls do work and if the offices backed them up with nobody with a a full time job and no dole dossers
rule then all cabbies would make decent money"

proof is in the pudding eh realcabforce

so why dont you want youre fellow cabbies to have thier own plates again?

we are all in the same boat, you me thier is no differance,only these poorly thought out and poorly implemented laws put this artificial barrier between taxi drivers,and cause all this infighting.

open youre eyes and see the truth its coming wether any of us like it or not.

we all await youre response


Proof of what? and my response to what?
As for infighting, it is you and your cronies who have been the cause rather than the law of the land, which up until the lunatics tried to take over the asylum worked well for all of us - drivers and operators, as well as the public.


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hypophetical question although it may yet happen?


like youre quote on the demacratic process :lol:
my specs are clear glass.
it appears you went for the rose tinted ones :lol:

but anyway are you gonna give youre input on the question or not?


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ALI T wrote:
RealCabforce wrote:
ALI T wrote:
realcabforce wrote

"The law states a council cannot refuse a license unless it can prove there is no demand for the services of Taxis that is not being met. The law also states that a council is allowed six months in which to determine an application.

There has been no refusal. The time limits are not written in stone, as has been shown by the grant of an extension.

Your other questions, I will require to look out the paperwork for them!!!"


so what happens if the council doesnt have the survey by the end of october?
having failed to put it through all the relevant commitees?
we already know that they have sworn in court to rush this through bypassing the hire car consultation group,scrutiny panels.,etc
should they then be given more time and more time again?

I thought they said it could be rushed through earlier by bypassing certain stages and committees but October would allow the full democratic process?
Lost the specs again?


hypophetical question although it may yet happen?


like youre quote on the demacratic process :lol:
my specs are clear glass.
it appears you went for the rose tinted ones :lol:

but anyway are you gonna give youre input on the question or not?


If you really think that CEC will not have this decided within the timeframe stated, then you are a bigger fool than I take you for.
Politics is but a game and you have yet to understand the rules (IMHO)


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its all a question of morals realcabforce

what gives you the right to stop anyone having what you have been givin?


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its all a question of morals realcabforce

what gives you the right to stop anyone having what you have been givin?


I claim no such right. I abided by the law since I saw it addressed the problem of striking a balance between the trade making a decent living and the public having a good 24 hour taxi service. You prefer to challenge it on what I regard as the selfish grounds of greed.


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Anyone fancy putting this on as a show at the festival, we could see if they could find a slot for it in the gilded balloon.


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RealCabforce wrote:
Yup. But as I said any pre-booked job is a 'private hire' and has been since time immemorial. Taxis (being public hire vehicles) can do private hire work legally but PHC cannot do public hire legally. (although, as we all know, they frequently do) My somewhat lighthearted contention is that although a survey of demand looks at both hail & call markets, should it?


I don't think surveys properly assess call demand adequately, since if they did they would take fuller account of PH numbers, but they don't.

However, you would think that the unmet demand test would allow the taxi market to grow to take account of overall growth in demand in the market. But it doesn't because it largely ignores the pre-booked market, which might otherwise be served largely by taxis if there was no numerical restrictions.

If numbers in Edinburgh had been allowed to rise in line with the market then there's no reason to think that PH numbers would have grown so hugely, but instead increased public demand in the pre-booked market is met by the PH sector at the expense of booked taxi work.

Of course, PH can't really muscle into the hail market (legally, at least) but the defficieny in restricted number is that it ignores the pre-booked market.

If the pre-booked market had been included then I suspect you would have more taxis in Edinburgh, but a lot less PH.

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i do understand the rules! and yes of course they will decide in time!
thats why it was a hypothetical question
which you still have'nt answered?
but i knew you would'nt :lol:


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the rights of the applicants were run roughshod over by the council and this sherrif
and you applaud this?#-o
im just interested to see how much rights you think the council should have and how little rights the public should have


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the rights of the applicants were run roughshod over by the council and this sherrif
and you applaud this?#-o
im just interested to see how much rights you think the council should have and how little rights the public should have

A post that isn't five foot long, how refreshing. :roll:

In the interests of those following this debate, as opposed to those taking part, could we please edit out the old points and just leave the relevant ones.

Please. [-o<

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yep agreed alex :oops:
some o them are a bit of a drag on the old database [-o<


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realcabforce wrote

"I thought they said it could be rushed through earlier by bypassing certain stages and committees but October would allow the full democratic process?
Lost the specs again?"

no what they said was they could have it by october if

they bypass

the hire car consultation group

regulatory committee(who would normaly deal with this)

scrutiny panel


what they said they will do in order to get a fully ratified survey is to put it on the agenda of the full council( a decision of the full council is not subject to scrutiny panels.and the hire car consultation group is not mandatory)
thiers you're democracy! at work son. [-X
tell me what i dont see!
glasses or no glasses

sorry you dinnae like ma specs ill change them when a get ma plate ok \:D/
maybe you would like to help me pick them?
or not [-o<


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I claim no such right. I abided by the law since I saw it addressed the problem of striking a balance between the trade making a decent living and the public having a good 24 hour taxi service. You prefer to challenge it on what I regard as the selfish grounds of greed.

strange this, but if you see me as greedy for wanting a plate then by you're own reasoning you must be greedy for having a plate
and worse selfish to for not wanting anyone else to have one
the mind boggles it really does #-o


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RealCabforce wrote:
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its all a question of morals realcabforce

what gives you the right to stop anyone having what you have been givin?


I claim no such right. I abided by the law since I saw it addressed the problem of striking a balance between the trade making a decent living and the public having a good 24 hour taxi service. You prefer to challenge it on what I regard as the selfish grounds of greed.



Remember we thought this waffle was familiar, well would you believe it, RealCabforce is Alan Gladrag’s from the Fastblacks sewing bee in Edinburgh.

Welcome to the real world Gladrag’s.
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