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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:11 pm 
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its the PH trade

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:30 pm 
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Come on Dougie, tell us what you pay for your monthly radio dues with City Cabs, what is it now, £600 a month or thereabouts? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:03 pm 
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It's obvious being part of a local circuit with the added bonus of a built in APP that as you say directly connects a customer with a driver is better and far more value for money than an outsider coming in profiteering, as Uber does.

I'm happy paying my dues, remember I worked the street for over 4 years, I'm turning over well enough to justify my radio dues, it doesn't matter how much I'm paying as long as I see value, I don't see the value to me as a driver using Uber, it's a con :wink:

Based on your figures of hundreds of drivers, here's the question where's the work coming from to satisfy all these drivers who are willing to pay 20% per job? bare in mind the average job in Edinburgh at peak times is under 2 miles, so that's around the £1.50 mark per job in commission, a £7.00 job becomes a £5.60 job, there's probably a drag to get to that job, do you honestly believe drivers during times of demand are going to work under Uber T&Cs :roll:

You know the trade and how it works, it's not going to happen :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:25 pm 
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It's obvious being part of a local circuit with the added bonus of a built in APP that as you say directly connects a customer with a driver is better and far more value for money than an outsider coming in profiteering, as Uber does.

I'm happy paying my dues, remember I worked the street for over 4 years, I'm turning over well enough to justify my radio dues, it doesn't matter how much I'm paying as long as I see value, I don't see the value to me as a driver using Uber, it's a con :wink:

Based on your figures of hundreds of drivers, here's the question where's the work coming from to satisfy all these drivers who are willing to pay 20% per job? bare in mind the average job in Edinburgh at peak times is under 2 miles, so that's around the £1.50 mark per job in commission, a £7.00 job becomes a £5.60 job, there's probably a drag to get to that job, do you honestly believe drivers during times of demand are going to work under Uber T&Cs :roll:

You know the trade and how it works, it's not going to happen :wink:


Dougie, why won't you tell us how much you pay for your radio dues and that's whether you work or not, you still have to pay? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

So let's just say £600 a month up front whether you work or not. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o Uber is looking pretty good to me so far Doug. Oh and as for the 20% commission, let's keep it simple, £100 gives you £80 and that's if you don't want to work the street, which is a bonus for any street car sitting on a rank or working an off peak period. Oh and then there's the PH part-timer who puts on his private car to work weekends. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not to mention the Phc already out there, who decide Uber is a cheaper alternative to their current Ph company. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Never mind Dougie... :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:11 pm 
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Oh and here's another thought Dougie, what's to stop members of your own company signing up with Uber? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o Think of it as covering all their bases. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:45 am 
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Assuming uber is successful Unless there's a huge influx of new cars coming into the trade, it's not really going to make any difference, the same number of cars doing the same jobs under a different banner, I really can't see 100s of new cars or new drivers suddenly appearing,
And any current drivers who may use it will bump it at the busy times making the app unreliable just when people will want it most


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:30 am 
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Assuming uber is successful Unless there's a huge influx of new cars coming into the trade, it's not really going to make any difference, the same number of cars doing the same jobs under a different banner, I really can't see 100s of new cars or new drivers suddenly appearing,


That's a fair point but consider the destabilising effect on companies who are already charging top dollar for what little work they do have i.e. City, CRT, ECPH etc. How much work can they afford to lose to a phone App (Uber)?

As mentioned earlier, you have the potential of around 300 street cars who have nothing to lose and everything to gain by taking up this app? :-|

The same could be said for anyone prepared to sign up to Uber? :-|

And what about drivers who can now register their private as a PHC, now they don't need to sign up to an expensive radio circuit and they can work when the town is busy with no extortionate radio dues to pay up front, whether they work or not. :-|

Uber is flexible and caters to anyone and everyone wishing to sign on the dotted line, the same cannot be said for City, CRT, ECPH etc..... :-|


Taxi/PH drivers are fickle by nature and while they may have some allegiance to their company, they are not about to pass up work for the sake of having an app on their phone. =D> =D> =D> =D> In Uber's case, GREED IS GOOD!!! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:41 am 
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Oh and have a wee look at London, the hack trade down there is far from happy with with Uber? :shock:




Not happy because they're failing to adhere to the London private hire act like every other minicab operation has to before they're licensed.

Not happy as the drivers operate a meter which is prohibited under the above act (court case in progress)

Not happy that they're yet another yank company who avoid paying their taxes in the uk.

Not happy they take zero responsibility for their drivers actions.

Not happy that they're competition?
Nah.
Just another minicab company with immigrant drivers, a sat nav, limited or no English and totally lost in London. Much the same as we've always had since 1963.
Its the PH operators that are suffering with drivers moving over to the app alongside or without their usual circuits gear, not taxis, apart from the Free Credit mob who just use whoever offering free rides this week . . .

As for 'uber' users ...... tightarses, social media and PR employees, men with tight jeans and beards, and people who think bus fares are expensive.

My drop in income?
Less busy?
'Lol' I believe is the most appropriate abbreviation.

I don't think I'd be overly concerned as a uk taxi driver, in my experience taxi punters are taxi punters, PH punters are PH punters in the main.

Like everyone else in 1983 I used to own a rubiks cube. Where are they now? :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:57 am 
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sunset wrote:
And any current drivers who may use it will bump it at the busy times making the app unreliable just when people will want it most

I thought that the busy times was when drivers wanted to use the UBER app because of the dynamic pricing.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:26 am 
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Uber connects passengers to a background-checked driver via a smartphone app, with the firm taking a 20 per cent cut of the fare.


They call it Rideshare.... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Yeah that's what gets me :roll:


It's kind of like sharing a ride..one on top having risk free pleasure and the one on the bottom being shafted along with all it's related risks.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:37 pm 
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Well it looks like Uber are more than happy to comply with the current legislation governing Taxis and Phc in Edinburgh. And I think the taxi/Ph trade will be struggling to come up with valid objection to Uber's operation and licence application. Uber appears to be going out of their way to tick all the boxes. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

IMHO, these apps are definitely the way forward. It's a bit like the demise of the bookstore. Now it's just a case of ordering the book you want off the app on your phone, as I did the other day. I'm even buying myself a kindle for my Christmas, so no more books to buy just a download. =D> =D> =D> =D>

And I really do think the days of the taxi/Ph office is numbered. No more rows of telephonists with punters struggling to get through on the phones at peak-times and who needs a radio or a computer fitted in their taxi/Ph vehicle, when their phone can do the job just as efficiently and without the added cost of a base office? =D> =D> =D> =D>

It's no wonder that Luddites the likes of Dougie are getting all bent out of shape with Uber. #-o #-o :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:22 pm 
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Skull wrote:
Well it looks like Uber are more than happy to comply with the current legislation governing Taxis and Phc in Edinburgh. And I think the taxi/Ph trade will be struggling to come up with valid objection to Uber's operation and licence application. Uber appears to be going out of their way to tick all the boxes. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

IMHO, these apps are definitely the way forward. It's a bit like the demise of the bookstore. Now it's just a case of ordering the book you want off the app on your phone, as I did the other day. I'm even buying myself a kindle for my Christmas, so no more books to buy just a download. =D> =D> =D> =D>

And I really do think the days of the taxi/Ph office is numbered. No more rows of telephonists with punters struggling to get through on the phones at peak-times and who needs a radio or a computer fitted in their taxi/Ph vehicle, when their phone can do the job just as efficiently and without the added cost of a base office? =D> =D> =D> =D>

It isn't often that I agree with anything that Skull posts but I think he is spot on here. =D> =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:45 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Skull wrote:
Well it looks like Uber are more than happy to comply with the current legislation governing Taxis and Phc in Edinburgh. And I think the taxi/Ph trade will be struggling to come up with valid objection to Uber's operation and licence application. Uber appears to be going out of their way to tick all the boxes. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

IMHO, these apps are definitely the way forward. It's a bit like the demise of the bookstore. Now it's just a case of ordering the book you want off the app on your phone, as I did the other day. I'm even buying myself a kindle for my Christmas, so no more books to buy just a download. =D> =D> =D> =D>

And I really do think the days of the taxi/Ph office is numbered. No more rows of telephonists with punters struggling to get through on the phones at peak-times and who needs a radio or a computer fitted in their taxi/Ph vehicle, when their phone can do the job just as efficiently and without the added cost of a base office? =D> =D> =D> =D>

It isn't often that I agree with anything that Skull posts but I think he is spot on here. =D> =D> =D>



I think not grandad, dear old skull has not done his home work.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:04 pm 
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Would you care to enlighten us Flower? :?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:23 pm 
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Oh dear, Flower has left the building. #-o I thought for a minute there that Flower was going to give us the inside track on the machinations of Uber moving into Edinburgh but alas, it's doesn't appear to be the case. #-o #-o #-o #-o

Obviously another worried soul like Dougie... #-o #-o #-o #-o


Oh and Flower, I've done my homework it's all on Uber's website... #-o #-o #-o

https://www.uber.com/

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