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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:21 pm 
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Ched Evans' fans continue to defend him, but would they do the same for a rapist cab driver?



The saga has revealed how far people are willing to go to stand up for someone famous, even if they've committed hideous crimes

Should the rapist Ched Evans return to his football career? We asked two writers with two very different opinions to give us their views. Here, Grace Dent says no, he shouldn't. To read why Simon Kelner thinks otherwise, click here.

As many of us returned to work after the Christmas break, ready to jump forlornly back on the nine-to-five treadmill, it felt curiously fitting that Ched Evans, the depressing epitome of a man going nowhere fast, was back in the news. The footballer and convicted rapist was said, over the weekend, to be in talks to join League One club Oldham Athletic. Quite what the fine people of Oldham have done to deserve having their town dragged into this endless mire is unclear. Still, Oldham begins 2015 deemed as the sort of place that would welcome Evans – a man convicted of rape who denies the crime and instead believes he’s been very hard done by – into its fold.

Of course, it’s not only Evans who Oldham would pledge allegiance with, but also his grim little clique of supporters, namely the people behind the “Ched Evans was wrongly conviced of rape” website. The site is a 17-section-long breathtaking cornucopia of victim-blaming, slack-jawed posturing, appeals for information on the victim with which to dash her claim, plus added CCTV footage showing the seemingly damning evidence that the victim, pre-attack, could walk upright.

The victim, now stripped of anonymity via Twitter, lives effectively on the run. Her father has complained, reportedly, to the Attorney General about the website, yet still the site remains.

Oldham is now painted as the sort of place that sympathises with Evans’ “predicament”. And also the type of place that might warm to that laughable video by Evans’ girlfriend, Natasha Massey, where – with heartbreaking naivety – she recites her little speech claiming that, broadly speaking, they are the victims here. Natasha, the poor mite, has had to repair a romance with her lovely footballer boyfriend after – in a completely out-of-character way – he cheated on her.

In seriousness, I don’t for one moment believe the people of Oldham want anything to do with Evans and his clan’s moral swamp, but at least they can gain solace in the knowledge that, if the “talks” fall through, it will be somewhere else tarred with the same brush next week.

Because Evans, crucially, possesses some level of talent for kicking a football. That means that in numerous football club management offices throughout Britain, there are men in power who think: “Hang on. We can sign Evans for how little? And all we have to do is put up with feminists and lefties and newspaper columnists moaning at us about rape, and setting up online petitions and that sort of politically correct carry-on? Oh f*** that. We don’t care! The lad can kick a ball. Begin talks!”

Then, after several arduous hours of riding a whirlwind of dissent from the public pointing out that Evans doesn’t deserve “rehabilitation” or “another chance”, because he doesn’t believe he committed a crime, the club has distinct cold feet. Sponsors don’t want to be connected with a rapist. Women connected with the club are irked.

Interestingly, shortly after I last wrote about Evans following his release, a West Yorkshire taxi driver – Tamseel Virk – and three of his friends were sentenced for a total of 68 years for rape after an attack on a vulnerable and very drunken woman in Bradford. The case made temporary news headlines, but oddly I heard no one lamenting the end of Virk’s career as a minicab driver. Or say they want to help him drive again when freedom allowed. No one made an elaborate website trying to prove the victim was “up for it”, or posted CCTV footage as if to say: “Look, here she is walking upright! How can anyone who can walk upright be raped?”

It felt like in the case of the rapist minicab driver, the public felt that rape was rape and prison was just.

It’s a very curious message that football clubs transmit every time they begin “talks” with Ched Evans. It ignores, for example, the comments from the victim’s father who said this week: “It’s the fifth time she’s had to move in under three years, she is just living her life on the run.”

And of her festive holiday plans: “I couldn’t even see her over Christmas because it’s too risky for her to visit me. I don’t even know where she is living at the moment, so I haven’t been able to give her the Christmas presents I bought her.”

Football clubs might turn a blind eye to this, but I certainly won’t. You keep going into “talks”, Ched, I’ll keep pointing all of this out.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 58981.html

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:53 pm 
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One thing that I haven't heard mentioned about any club thinking of signing this person is the wider club activities. These days football players have a lot of community engagements to fulfill. Can you imagine this chap turning up at say a hospital to visit sick ladies?

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Most idiotic story of the year so far


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:32 pm 
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Three footballers had a go on her that night but only Evans was charged with rape.

She's the daughter of a Chairman of a Championship club. When Evans was found guilty she was on social Media saying, "let the spending spree begin I've won big." Is this a woman who's supposedly been raped?

She asked him to go down on her. Sounds like she was in control of her faculties to a degree where she knew what was up. She never made an accusation of rape.

He's going to be fast tracked for an appeal.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... pe-inquiry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -name.html


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:00 pm 
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So you pick up a young girl in your taxi, who has had to much to drink, and it's ok to call two of your mates and take her to a premier inn for sex, and you think that's consensual.and it don't matter whose daughter it is.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:04 pm 
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There is a lot of things in this case that don't add up. No doubt the jury was privy to a lot more information / evidence than we are allowed to see / hear. I presume this is why they reached a unanimous verdict. I suppose we'll have to put our faith in the legal system and hope the appeal looks at some of the problems with the case and if needed, orders a re-trial.
Personally, notwithstanding the outcome of his appeal, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my football club. I also don't believe he has "served his time". He was jailed for five years on the 20th April 2012, just because he was let out early doesn't mean he has "served his time".


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:33 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:
So you pick up a young girl in your taxi, who has had to much to drink, and it's ok to call two of your mates and take her to a premier inn for sex, and you think that's consensual.and it don't matter whose daughter it is.


And then put all over social media "let the spending spree begin I've won big."

Take it way off beam why don't you?

Surely you can't be ignorant to the fact that a woman who's cried rape twice before went to a hotel room for sex with two footballers?


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x-ray wrote:
No doubt the jury was privy to a lot more information / evidence than we are allowed to see / hear.

it was a public trial.
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-che ... dwyn-evans

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Nidge2 wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
So you pick up a young girl in your taxi, who has had to much to drink, and it's ok to call two of your mates and take her to a premier inn for sex, and you think that's consensual.and it don't matter whose daughter it is.


And then put all over social media "let the spending spree begin I've won big."

Take it way off beam why don't you?

Surely you can't be ignorant to the fact that a woman who's cried rape twice before went to a hotel room for sex with two footballers?

Do you think that she was in a capable state to actually give consent? In your opinion, how drunk does someone have to be before they are incapable of giving consent?

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grandad wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
So you pick up a young girl in your taxi, who has had to much to drink, and it's ok to call two of your mates and take her to a premier inn for sex, and you think that's consensual.and it don't matter whose daughter it is.


And then put all over social media "let the spending spree begin I've won big."

Take it way off beam why don't you?

Surely you can't be ignorant to the fact that a woman who's cried rape twice before went to a hotel room for sex with two footballers?

Do you think that she was in a capable state to actually give consent? In your opinion, how drunk does someone have to be before they are incapable of giving consent?



She was able to go to a room with two footballers on her own accord, she was also able to cry rape twice before on her own accord, she was also able to post on Twitter, "Let the spending begin" when Evens got time.

Yeah she was capable alright.


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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
Do you think that she was in a capable state to actually give consent? In your opinion, how drunk does someone have to be before they are incapable of giving consent?



She was able to go to a room with two footballers on her own accord, she was also able to cry rape twice before on her own accord, she was also able to post on Twitter, "Let the spending begin" when Evens got time.

Yeah she was capable alright.
capable of what though? The court report says that she only went to the room with the chap who was aquitted. Evans joined them later.
So how drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent.

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capable of what though? The court report says that she only went to the room with the chap who was aquitted. Evans joined them later.
So how drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent.



Come on take the blinkers off FFS. Twice cried rape before, posted on Twitter that her spending spree was about to begin, she was clearly seen going to the room with Evans, the video clearly shows it.


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absolute mess of a case with a lot of feelings for and against.

strange in my eyes that she was sober enough to consent to the first gentleman but not some time later when evans turned up.



sooner the appeal is heard the better at least then it will be settled one way or another.


just noticed on sky he's signed for Oldham today


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absolute mess of a case with a lot of feelings for and against.

strange in my eyes that she was sober enough to consent to the first gentleman but not some time later when evans turned up.



sooner the appeal is heard the better at least then it will be settled one way or another.


just noticed on sky he's signed for Oldham today



Surely people can't be ignorant to the fact that a woman went to a hotel room for sex with a footballer? She knew what she was doing. And that's not adding the facts that she put on twitter that she was going to have "a big win" before AND after the allegations. She's had to move house & change identities 5 times. How many VICTIMS have had to have that?


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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
capable of what though? The court report says that she only went to the room with the chap who was aquitted. Evans joined them later.
So how drunk does someone need to be before they are not capable of giving consent.



Come on take the blinkers off FFS. Twice cried rape before, posted on Twitter that her spending spree was about to begin, she was clearly seen going to the room with Evans, the video clearly shows it.




she was seen going to the room with McDonald not Evans,

although in my eyes she doesn't seem heavily intoxicated cctv

sooner the appeals underway the better from the evidence I've seen from all sides the conviction is wrong in my own opinion


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