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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:30 pm 
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Skull and Jasbar had a report done a few years ago about this subject. Perhaps they could give us a link to it?


its on TDO somewhere :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:42 pm 
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As a point of (I think) interest.

Regarding ramps on all WAV vehicles - up to what weight are they expected to take, as I do not recollect seeing any data stating i.e. "these ramps should take no more than xx lbs". The point being is that people are getting heavier, and in some cases the wheelchairs are also weighing a fair bit - are we open to a claim if say the ramps gave way/snapped.

For all of the drum banging and sabre rattling by the L.A's/law.........who actually does the risk assessments?

I think I am correct in saying that ramps should have the SWL (Safe Working Load) on them. I know mine do. But what I don't have is a set of scales! Perhaps we should add Weight Scales to our equipment!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:15 pm 
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It was a new E7


So that comes with only standard WC fixings, how big was the EWC ???
It did say in the report that the driver struggled to turn it inside the passenger compartment, if that's the case he should have said sorry, but its to big to fit


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:18 pm 
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he should have said sorry, but its to big to fit


Now you're getting it :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:39 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
.........who actually does the risk assessments?


The driver should do his own, for every job.



yep that's the law =D>

and its got feck all to do with some pen pushing council


I am not so sure about that one!

The L.A's are the bodies who stipulate what vehicles we MUST purchase in order to work. I am thinking that the onus should be passed back to the L.A's as they deemed the vehicles fit for purpose. Having said that; to what degree are they fit for purpose? At what point do you or I leave ourselves open to the accusation of........it was a refusal & not a risk assessment, due to lack of qualification? Only saying!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:14 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:

I am not so sure about that one!

The L.A's are the bodies who stipulate what vehicles we MUST purchase in order to work. I am thinking that the onus should be passed back to the L.A's as they deemed the vehicles fit for purpose. Having said that; to what degree are they fit for purpose? At what point do you or I leave ourselves open to the accusation of........it was a refusal & not a risk assessment, due to lack of qualification? Only saying!

It is still the driver who has the final say. If the Council want to prosecute then the driver makes his statement saying that he carried out a risk assessment and decided that because of reasons a, b and c, it was unsafe to carry the passenger. provided tyhat the reasons are valid, he should be fine.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:53 pm 
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[quote="captain cab"]It was a new E7[/quote

The E7's ramp has a 300kg SWL ( I think it is stated on the ramp somewhere on a sticker that falls off easily) but you'd be crazy to take anyone even a third of that weight together with the weight of an electric chair. I always isolate the power supply before even attempting to load an electric chair. I once had a lady who tried to "help" me reverese her and her electric chair out of my cab, the result was me injuring my back whilst trying to keep her upright as one wheel had came of the ramp. I always do a risk assessment, If I don't think I can do it safely I don't do it !


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:49 am 
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I wonder if the union in Carlisle has pointed out all this to the powers that be, even if the driver is not a member,
All WAVs are designed to carry a standard WC, not the electric type, that's all they are designed to do, with the equipment supplied by the vehicle manufacturer for securing the standard WC.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:40 pm 
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It is not illegal not to strap in a wheelchair but it is contrary to vehicle manufacturers’ and disability awareness guidelines.

Mr Kennedy was said to have “failed in his professional duty” by not carrying his passenger safely.

Taxi drivers receive training from the city council on how to deal with disabled passengers following a high-profile case in Birmingham in which a disabled teenager had died as a result of being transported sideways in a vehicle and not being correctly secured.

Councillor John Bell, chairman of Carlisle City Council’s regulatory panel, told Kennedy: “What you did was entirely against council policy and entirely against the disability and duty of care guidelines.


I wonder as to how in depth the Council policy goes; As stated it is not illegal not to strap them in, they then go on to say that it is against council policy! So.....As part of the "council" policy I would expect guidance (so as not to infringe the "Human Rights" of the passenger who does not want to be belted up)....as to the next step i.e do I out them at say 4.00 a.m on a freezing morning when it is p!zzing down.....which then brings into the equation (Duty of Care)! or is it......ummm, well, you should have made an exception!

Personally I am fed up with this constant passing of the buck onto us, we seem to be the whipping boys for anything and everything that goes wrong. As ever I would wager it is some tin pot policy that has not been thought out properly and needs challenging.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:50 am 
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It is not illegal not to strap in a wheelchair but it is contrary to vehicle manufacturers’ and disability awareness guidelines.

Mr Kennedy was said to have “failed in his professional duty” by not carrying his passenger safely.

Taxi drivers receive training from the city council on how to deal with disabled passengers following a high-profile case in Birmingham in which a disabled teenager had died as a result of being transported sideways in a vehicle and not being correctly secured.

Councillor John Bell, chairman of Carlisle City Council’s regulatory panel, told Kennedy: “What you did was entirely against council policy and entirely against the disability and duty of care guidelines.


I wonder as to how in depth the Council policy goes; As stated it is not illegal not to strap them in, they then go on to say that it is against council policy! So.....As part of the "council" policy I would expect guidance (so as not to infringe the "Human Rights" of the passenger who does not want to be belted up)....as to the next step i.e do I out them at say 4.00 a.m on a freezing morning when it is p!zzing down.....which then brings into the equation (Duty of Care)! or is it......ummm, well, you should have made an exception!

Personally I am fed up with this constant passing of the buck onto us, we seem to be the whipping boys for anything and everything that goes wrong. As ever I would wager it is some tin pot policy that has not been thought out properly and needs challenging.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:05 pm 
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OU CABBYS WILL ALWAYS BE SH!T ON WHEN YOUR TOO STUPID TO ORGANISE YERSELVES .....................


No matter where I read about trouble...............you have NO members that belong to your Union! The proof of the pudding is that; if you did, then these problems would not exist, as you have the answer............
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FEKKING OBVIOUS


Trotts for people to join a union then the unions have got to show that they are worthy. At the moment I see about two that go out on a limb for their members.....as for the rest they only want your/my money.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:33 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
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OU CABBYS WILL ALWAYS BE SH!T ON WHEN YOUR TOO STUPID TO ORGANISE YERSELVES .....................


No matter where I read about trouble...............you have NO members that belong to your Union! The proof of the pudding is that; if you did, then these problems would not exist, as you have the answer............
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FEKKING OBVIOUS


Trotts for people to join a union then the unions have got to show that they are worthy. At the moment I see about two that go out on a limb for their members.....as for the rest they only want your/my money.


john boy currently i am not a member of any Union" Sub Judice "

And unfortunately as i have outlined on other threads the GMB has been in my opinion infiltrated by pro proprietor elements in London Region i believe that their membership is now below 300 as against 4000 some years ago................ #-o

And as i frequently point any organisation will only reflect the make up of its membership,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and its sad fact that most cab drivers do not understand the realities of their situation however over a period of time the Drivers do in my experience pick up some basics of organisation and once they divorce themselves away from the pathetic LEGAL route and embrace the industrial and political route progress tends to follow!

that said i would regard this specific issue to be quite simple to resolve were i representing the Driver! =D> =D>

finally ask yourself this question "why is it many industrys successfully organise themselves witihin Unions Railworkers Barristers council workers School Teachers etc to the tune of 7 million workers! and cabbies cant ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,given that are you surprised that they earn less than any other industry for more hours and are the victims of attacks and even murdered on occasion ..................surely its no accident but a reflection upon their lack of foresight or inability to organise :?:

vitimisation as in this case is the norm and will continue to be in my opinion until they organise :D

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john boy currently i am not a member of any Union" Sub Judice "


Oh, oh, what have you gone and done now :wink:

The problem with the cab trade is that people are used to working on their own, as such there is no safety in numbers as say in a factory whereby you can look eye to eye with your workmate...... and know as to whether you are all for one & one for all so to speak. Then you also have to overcome the "lack of trust" factor i.e no bugger trusts one another. I see it as a nasty wheel going round and round with no real end.......if only they realised the power that they potentially have #-o . This country could come to a stop overnight......that is the power that they have - too many loose cannons I am afraid.

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Cabby John 1 wrote:
This country could come to a stop overnight.

Fortunately there are enough sane people around to prevent that from happening.

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Cabby John 1 wrote:
This country could come to a stop overnight.

Fortunately there are enough sane people around to prevent that from happening.


Cannot agree with you on that one.....this country is in a mess and has been for many years. Trust me when I say that it is here to stay unless the Political system is changed big time - stop the country and you stop THEIR money - then you will see change & the same with the trade.

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