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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:28 pm 
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Uber users being charged £6 a mile during 'surge' fare times


One customer charged £42 for minicab from Northern Quarter to Withington

Passengers are facing £7-a-mile fares in Uber minicabs around Greater Manchester at ‘surge’ times.

Customers of the app-based minicab service say they have been left shocked by the amounts they are charged through their phones at the end of a journey.

One passenger was charged £42 to go from the Northern Quarter to Mauldeth Road West in Withington.

Another faced a £34 charge from Didsbury Village to Handforth in Cheadle.

Some of those who complained to Uber have received partial refunds, which the MEN understands are given at the company’s discretion.

Fares for Uber minicabs go up during ‘surge’ times - when a high number of people are using the app to request minicabs in certain areas.

It means the original fare can be four times higher while a surge is on - which customers say they have found confusing.

Uber, launched in Manchester last April, says they strive to make the fare process transparent and the surge encourages more drivers to work.

Elizabeth Denniss, 28, was faced with the £34 fare after a night out with her boyfriend in Didsbury Village last Saturday [Jan 31] - around £5.20 a mile.

She was given an £8 refund after complaining to Uber, but said: “I feel like I’ve been taken advantage of.

“I hadn’t used the app before so I didn’t know exactly how it works.

“I asked the driver how much it would be and he didn’t know.

“When we got out the car and it said £34 I hit the roof.”

Kerry Burk, 36, who lives in Middleton, was charged £36 for a six mile journey home from Castlefield, around £6 per mile. She said: “It said the minimum fare was £8 and there was a 2.9 times surge on but that was still nowhere near what we paid.

“The system is not clear enough.”

The highest fare the MEN has found - £42 from the Northern Quarter to Didsbury - was made last Friday night when there was a 2.8 times surge and worked out at around £7 a mile.

The woman charged the fare, who did not want to give her name, said: “I understand you’re signing up to their terms and conditions when you click the app but we never expected it to be that much.

“I will never use Uber again.”

A spokesman for Uber Manchester said: “Dynamic pricing is first and foremost about getting more cars on the road.

“During ties of peak demand - where there are not enough drivers on the Uber system - fares increase to incentivise more drivers on to the platform.

“Dynamic pricing is also fully transparent.

“During a period of dynamic pricing, riders are fully notified of the increase in price with multiple confirmation screens.

“Firstly, on the home screen there is a dynamic pricing symbol to notify riders that dynamic pricing is in effect.

“Secondly, when you select your location you are then informed of the exact multiplier and you are asked to click a button to accept the higher fare or you can choose to click the button that says ‘notify me if surge ends’.

“Thirdly, if the multiplier is above 2x you have to physically type in the price multiplier before proceeding and then fourthly you can use the ‘fare estimate’ button to work out how much your total fare is likely to be at the dynamic price multiplier.

“So, by the time you request your Uber you have been clearly notified of the implications of dynamic pricing.”

source: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ed-8597140

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:29 pm 
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“I hadn’t used the app before so I didn’t know exactly how it works.

“I asked the driver how much it would be and he didn’t know.

“When we got out the car and it said £34 I hit the roof.”




hahahahahahaha

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:07 pm 
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“I hadn’t used the app before so I didn’t know exactly how it works.

“I asked the driver how much it would be and he didn’t know.

“When we got out the car and it said £34 I hit the roof.”




hahahahahahaha



Good job they didnt send a convertible :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:49 pm 
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Why is the fare not agreed before the start of the journey?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:52 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Why is the fare not agreed before the start of the journey?


because they're idiots?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:27 pm 
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Firstly, on the home screen there is a dynamic pricing symbol to notify riders that dynamic pricing is in effect.


Does it look like this?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:36 pm 
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I'd be embarrassed to be Charging those prices! Who the [edited by admin] is dull enough to pay it


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:15 am 
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Dynamic/surge pricing works for car hire, flights and hotels, and is widely accepted. If you're not willing to pay those inflated prices, then you would have to arrange your plans, around quieter periods.

Might take a while for it to become accepted for minicab rides...

Besides as stated in the article, you physically have to enter the surge multiplier in the app, before requesting the car, so it shouldn't come as a surprise, that when you enter 2.8 in the app that the fare is going to cost 2.8 times as much.

The surge only happens temporarily. Just have to wait a while, as less rides are requested in the area, and more drivers enter the surge area, as they're tempted by the rates offered.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:16 am 
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grandad wrote:
Why is the fare not agreed before the start of the journey?


The fare is calculated after the journey has ended, by the app on the driver's phone, which calculates the actual distance and time covered, once the journey is over.

You can get an estimated quote in the app, anyway before you start the ride.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:39 am 
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christopherwk wrote:

Besides as stated in the article, you physically have to enter the surge multiplier in the app, before requesting the car, so it shouldn't come as a surprise, that when you enter 2.8 in the app that the fare is going to cost 2.8 times as much.


This will be perfectly understood by the drunk person using the app.

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"Dynamic price multiplier"

Got to get myself one of these !


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:26 pm 
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christopherwk wrote:
grandad wrote:
Why is the fare not agreed before the start of the journey?


The fare is calculated after the journey has ended, by the app on the driver's phone, which calculates the actual distance and time covered, once the journey is over.

You can get an estimated quote in the app, anyway before you start the ride.


Surely that has got to be illegal ! As it is at the moment the U.K is either metered or you will know from a P.H company before you set off.

On the above basis it could be say a tenner today @ 4.00pm, tomorrow @ 4.00pm it could be £30 because there is something big going on in the City/Town. That is totally unreasonable as the customer is naturally expecting the same rate as before.......only to find out at the end of the journey.......... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:39 pm 
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I have been looking at a few council's conditions regarding fares in a private hire vehicle and all of the ones that I have looked at so far state that the fare should be agreed with the operator BEFORE the journey commences.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:23 pm 
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grandad wrote:
I have been looking at a few council's conditions regarding fares in a private hire vehicle and all of the ones that I have looked at so far state that the fare should be agreed with the operator BEFORE the journey commences.


Ours is only if requested by the person making the booking. That said it doesn't say we have to give a final price we just have to give details of the charges so in effect we could just tell them how much a mile it is and approximately how many it is providing there are no changes to the journey and then the cost of any waiting time.

11. CHARGES
(a) The Operator must ensure that details of charges are provided on request to
any person making a booking, prior to the commencement of any journey.
(b) The Operator must inform the Council, in writing, of the scale of fares they
intend to charge including any changes prior to the changes taking effect.
(c) The Operator must ensure that the fares charged by drivers of Hackney
Carriage Vehicles are no more than those set by the Council as shown on the
taximeter.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:20 pm 
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Anyone who thinks Uber gives a [edited by admin] about the licensing laws in your area .... Dream on.

They use a meter that doubles or trebles when they can get away with it. Lots more 20%s for their Dutch based tax avoidance scam!


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