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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:30 pm 
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Well that will change with the dereg bill tho so everybody will be able to pass work on to everybody else and none of it will matter in time. At the end of the day Uber are still taking 20% of a drivers income which is much the same if not more than the current operators that everybody is bitching about

I don't think that is quite correct toots. An operator will be able to subcontract to another operator. He won't be able to subcontract directly to a PH driver from another area.


My point is it's £125 per year for an operators license here, which is due to me made a 5 year license soon and any private hire driver can have one from their home address so the costs are negligible. If drivers want to work for Uber or any other outside operator they just get an operators license, simples really when you think about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:33 pm 
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I don't think that is quite correct toots. An operator will be able to subcontract to another operator. He won't be able to subcontract directly to a PH driver from another area.


what happens if the driver is also a one man band operator?

Then he is an operator. :roll:


Like me. :)

I'm an operator. The only driver who works under my operator licence is myself.

I don't have any other drivers working under my operator's licence.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:36 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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I don't think that is quite correct toots. An operator will be able to subcontract to another operator. He won't be able to subcontract directly to a PH driver from another area.


what happens if the driver is also a one man band operator?

Then he is an operator. :roll:


Any private hire driver with a brain who has is own vehicle, will get his own ops licence, it just makes so much sense to do so. If I had a p/h vehicle and badge and lived in Melton and was working through you, I would also get my own ops licence.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:36 pm 
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toots wrote:
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Well that will change with the dereg bill tho so everybody will be able to pass work on to everybody else and none of it will matter in time. At the end of the day Uber are still taking 20% of a drivers income which is much the same if not more than the current operators that everybody is bitching about

I don't think that is quite correct toots. An operator will be able to subcontract to another operator. He won't be able to subcontract directly to a PH driver from another area.


My point is it's £125 per year for an operators license here, which is due to me made a 5 year license soon and any private hire driver can have one from their home address so the costs are negligible. If drivers want to work for Uber or any other outside operator they just get an operators license, simples really when you think about it.


West Brom a PH ops licence is £500

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
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Well that will change with the dereg bill tho so everybody will be able to pass work on to everybody else and none of it will matter in time. At the end of the day Uber are still taking 20% of a drivers income which is much the same if not more than the current operators that everybody is bitching about[/quote]
I don't think that is quite correct toots. An operator will be able to subcontract to another operator. He won't be able to subcontract directly to a PH driver from another area.[/quote]

My point is it's £125 per year for an operators license here, which is due to me made a 5 year license soon and any private hire driver can have one from their home address so the costs are negligible. If drivers want to work for Uber or any other outside operator they just get an operators license, simples really when you think about it.[/quote]

West Brom a PH ops licence is £500[/quote]

Then they are obviously over charging, where in the act does it say what they can charge for an ops licence? I would think they can only recover there own costs of producing the licence, it's only the trade in west Brom that's letting them get away with it, but the more it is the the p/h barons like it, it stops people setting up:-)


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:55 pm 
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Any private hire driver with a brain who has is own vehicle, will get his own ops licence, it just makes so much sense to do so. If I had a p/h vehicle and badge and lived in Melton and was working through you, I would also get my own ops licence.

We don't have any owner drivers working with us. We own all the vehicles. There are very few private hire vehicles in the town, most are hackney. What I can't understand is why we have Hackney owner drivers here who attach themselves to a Hackney only business and then get the majority of their work from the streets. I can't see the point in paying someone a percentage for work that you have got yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
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grandad wrote:
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Any private hire driver with a brain who has is own vehicle, will get his own ops licence, it just makes so much sense to do so. If I had a p/h vehicle and badge and lived in Melton and was working through you, I would also get my own ops licence.

We don't have any owner drivers working with us. We own all the vehicles. There are very few private hire vehicles in the town, most are hackney. What I can't understand is why we have Hackney owner drivers here who attach themselves to a Hackney only business and then get the majority of their work from the streets. I can't see the point in paying someone a percentage for work that you have got yourself.


like a brothel?

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:32 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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Any private hire driver with a brain who has is own vehicle, will get his own ops licence, it just makes so much sense to do so. If I had a p/h vehicle and badge and lived in Melton and was working through you, I would also get my own ops licence.

We don't have any owner drivers working with us. We own all the vehicles. There are very few private hire vehicles in the town, most are hackney. What I can't understand is why we have Hackney owner drivers here who attach themselves to a Hackney only business and then get the majority of their work from the streets. I can't see the point in paying someone a percentage for work that you have got yourself.


I was giving an example, I drive a Hackney and work through a base, I get the best of both worlds, I pick up of the rank say it's a 10 pound fare, and when I drop of I get one of the base back to the rank for 8 pounds, no dead mileage win win. I don't really get your example, but some stupid hack drivers here won't work for a p/hire base, they see it as us and them, and I'm sure your hacks are getting a lot more than just bookings of the street, which by the way does not make it legally a hack fare, they should be on the rank not touting on the streets.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:13 pm 
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grandad wrote:
mancityfan wrote:

Any private hire driver with a brain who has is own vehicle, will get his own ops licence, it just makes so much sense to do so. If I had a p/h vehicle and badge and lived in Melton and was working through you, I would also get my own ops licence.

We don't have any owner drivers working with us. We own all the vehicles. There are very few private hire vehicles in the town, most are hackney. What I can't understand is why we have Hackney owner drivers here who attach themselves to a Hackney only business and then get the majority of their work from the streets. I can't see the point in paying someone a percentage for work that you have got yourself.


Well they must get some work from the base they pay or they wouldn't do it. Why don't you have owner drivers working with you?

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:25 pm 
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I'm sure your hacks are getting a lot more than just bookings of the street, which by the way does not make it legally a hack fare, they should be on the rank not touting on the streets.


theres a very fine line between touting and a flag down

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:09 pm 
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If Uber does become totally Uber Alles then won't the monopolies commissision step in eventually and say enoughs enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:43 pm 
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Ubers end game is driverless cars/taxis, so go on shaft your trade, sign up today, finance the driverless taxi revolution, with these 20 mph zones being rolled out all over the country, driverless cabs are a reality, plenty links available to back this up on the thread on Uber within the Scottish Section :roll:

Hey it's your trade :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:06 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Ubers end game is driverless cars/taxis, so go on shaft your trade, sign up today, finance the driverless taxi revolution, with these 20 mph zones being rolled out all over the country, driverless cabs are a reality, plenty links available to back this up on the thread on Uber within the Scottish Section :roll:

Hey it's your trade :wink:

WAS :roll:


I don't think I've heard you so despondent. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: The truth is Dougie, the future doesn't need you. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:54 pm 
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I used Your Trade Skull, not yours or mine but theirs, in Scotland we do Regulation differently, I don't see it as a threat but a challenge, our App is established, it's reliable, there isn't much technological difference between Apps, it's down to service and reliability, it's our ball, can they take it off us? I doubt it :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:02 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Ubers end game is driverless cars/taxis, so go on shaft your trade, sign up today, finance the driverless taxi revolution, with these 20 mph zones being rolled out all over the country, driverless cabs are a reality, plenty links available to back this up on the thread on Uber within the Scottish Section :roll:

Hey it's your trade :wink:

WAS :roll:


There is a Myriad of job types that could be carried out without the need of a human beings, but at the end of the day It is Humans that buy all the products and services that a robotic workforce supplies, It follows suit that if the vast majority of humans do not work for a living then they will not have the finances to buy the goods or services that these robotic services provide.

There will never be so much automation in the workplace or service industry that would starve business owners of the income based money that drives the whole economic machine. They aint going to pay for expensive automatons and then also give hand out's to us humans just to ensure we have the spending clout to justify the costs and upkeeps of their wonderous robotic machines or technology.

We are not quite their yet but someday soon these humanless Tasks will reach a plateau and level out if for no other reason than the fact that machines do not generate or spend money only Humans do.


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