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billybobs
PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:58 pm 
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Can someone explain how it can be legal for the biggest operator in Bolton to have been trading for the last three years without paying their operators fees. Every other P/H operator has paid during this period. Advice please.
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grandad
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billybobs wrote:
Can someone explain how it can be legal for the biggest operator in Bolton to have been trading for the last three years without paying their operators fees. Every other P/H operator has paid during this period. Advice please.

Have you asked the Council this question?

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have you this as a fact or just heresay?

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billybobs wrote:
Can someone explain how it can be legal for the biggest operator in Bolton to have been trading for the last three years without paying their operators fees. Every other P/H operator has paid during this period. Advice please.

Are they hackney only?

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billybobs
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grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Can someone explain how it can be legal for the biggest operator in Bolton to have been trading for the last three years without paying their operators fees. Every other P/H operator has paid during this period. Advice please.

Have you asked the Council this question?

Yes, and after denying it initially they finally admitted it in writing.
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Sussex wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Can someone explain how it can be legal for the biggest operator in Bolton to have been trading for the last three years without paying their operators fees. Every other P/H operator has paid during this period. Advice please.

Are they hackney only?

All P/H.
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billybobs wrote:
grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Can someone explain how it can be legal for the biggest operator in Bolton to have been trading for the last three years without paying their operators fees. Every other P/H operator has paid during this period. Advice please.

Have you asked the Council this question?

Yes, and after denying it initially they finally admitted it in writing.


maybe all the PH cars hold an individual PH ops licence

i have one so the base i work through doesnt hold one for my car

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maybe all the PH cars hold an individual PH ops licence

The base operator will still need a license as they are the ones who are 'the course of business making provisions for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle'.

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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
maybe all the PH cars hold an individual PH ops licence

The base operator will still need a license as they are the ones who are 'the course of business making provisions for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle'.

None of the drivers at the P/H company have a licence of their own.It is a normal firm that for some reason hasn't had to pay their dues for three years, all the rest of the operators in the town have been made to pay. The question is. Is this legal?
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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
maybe all the PH cars hold an individual PH ops licence

The base operator will still need a license as they are the ones who are 'the course of business making provisions for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle'.


I think theres more to this than we are being told

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wannabeeahack wrote:
Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
maybe all the PH cars hold an individual PH ops licence

The base operator will still need a license as they are the ones who are 'the course of business making provisions for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle'.


I think theres more to this than we are being told

If you don't know then just say so.
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Sussex
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If you don't know then just say so.

I think we all do know, it's just strange that no one at the firm has a PH ops license, if for no other reason than insurance cover.

What are the council doing?

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Sussex wrote:
billybobs wrote:
If you don't know then just say so.

I think we all do know, it's just strange that no one at the firm has a PH ops license, if for no other reason than insurance cover.

What are the council doing?

My question is simple. The biggest firm in Bolton have not paid fees for 3 years (approx £40,000). This is not rumour but simple fact. Should the council be duty bound to return all the fees paid by all the other firms in the same timeframe? The council say that a complaint about the amount payable means that this one firm has been excused until a decision is made.
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billybobs wrote:
Sussex wrote:
billybobs wrote:
If you don't know then just say so.

I think we all do know, it's just strange that no one at the firm has a PH ops license, if for no other reason than insurance cover.

What are the council doing?

My question is simple. The biggest firm in Bolton have not paid fees for 3 years (approx £40,000). This is not rumour but simple fact. Should the council be duty bound to return all the fees paid by all the other firms in the same timeframe? The council say that a complaint about the amount payable means that this one firm has been excused until a decision is made.



someone needs the sack - the license should not have been issued - the time to complain about fees is when they're published

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70 Fees for vehicle and operators’ licences.

(1) Subject to the provisions of subsection (2) of this section, a district council may charge such fees for the grant of vehicle and operators’ licences as may be resolved by them from time to time and as may be sufficient in the aggregate to cover in whole or in part—

(a) the reasonable cost of the carrying out by or on behalf of the district council of inspections of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles for the purpose of determining whether any such licence should be granted or renewed;

(b) the reasonable cost of providing hackney carriage stands; and

(c) any reasonable administrative or other costs in connection with the foregoing and with the control and supervision of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.


(2) The fees chargeable under this section shall not exceed—

(a) for the grant of a vehicle licence in respect of a hackney carriage, twenty-five pounds;

(b) for the grant of a vehicle licence in respect of a private hire vehicle, twenty-five pounds; and

(c) for the grant of an operator’s licence, twenty-five pounds per annum;

or, in any such case, such other sums as a district council may, subject to the following provisions of this section, from time to time determine.


(3) (a) If a district council determine that the maximum fees specified in subsection (2) of this section should be varied they shall publish in at least one local newspaper circulating in the district a notice setting out the variation proposed, drawing attention to the provisions of paragraph (b) of this subsection and specifying the period, which shall not be less than twenty-eight days from the date of the first publication of the notice, within which and the manner in which objections to the variation can be made.

(b) A copy of the notice referred to in paragraph (a) of this subsection shall for the period of twenty-eight days from the date of the first publication thereof be deposited at the offices of the council which published the notice and shall at all reasonable hours be open to public inspection without payment.


(4) If no objection to a variation is duly made within the period specified in the notice referred to in subsection (3) of this section, or if all objections so made are withdrawn, the variation shall come into operation on the date of the expiration of the period specified in the notice or the date of withdrawal of the objection or, if more than one, of the last objection, whichever date is the later.


(5) If objection is duly made as aforesaid and is not withdrawn, the district council shall set a further date, not later than two months after the first specified date, on which the variation shall come into force with or without modification as decided by the district council after consideration of the objections.


(6) A district council may remit the whole or part of any fee chargeable in pursuance of this section for the grant of a licence under section 48 or 55 of this Act in any case in which they think it appropriate to do so.

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