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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:26 pm 
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70 Fees for vehicle and operators’ licences.

(1) Subject to the provisions of subsection (2) of this section, a district council may charge such fees for the grant of vehicle and operators’ licences as may be resolved by them from time to time and as may be sufficient in the aggregate to cover in whole or in part—

(a) the reasonable cost of the carrying out by or on behalf of the district council of inspections of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles for the purpose of determining whether any such licence should be granted or renewed;

(b) the reasonable cost of providing hackney carriage stands; and

(c) any reasonable administrative or other costs in connection with the foregoing and with the control and supervision of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.


(2) The fees chargeable under this section shall not exceed—

(a) for the grant of a vehicle licence in respect of a hackney carriage, twenty-five pounds;

(b) for the grant of a vehicle licence in respect of a private hire vehicle, twenty-five pounds; and

(c) for the grant of an operator’s licence, twenty-five pounds per annum;

or, in any such case, such other sums as a district council may, subject to the following provisions of this section, from time to time determine.


(3) (a) If a district council determine that the maximum fees specified in subsection (2) of this section should be varied they shall publish in at least one local newspaper circulating in the district a notice setting out the variation proposed, drawing attention to the provisions of paragraph (b) of this subsection and specifying the period, which shall not be less than twenty-eight days from the date of the first publication of the notice, within which and the manner in which objections to the variation can be made.

(b) A copy of the notice referred to in paragraph (a) of this subsection shall for the period of twenty-eight days from the date of the first publication thereof be deposited at the offices of the council which published the notice and shall at all reasonable hours be open to public inspection without payment.


(4) If no objection to a variation is duly made within the period specified in the notice referred to in subsection (3) of this section, or if all objections so made are withdrawn, the variation shall come into operation on the date of the expiration of the period specified in the notice or the date of withdrawal of the objection or, if more than one, of the last objection, whichever date is the later.


(5) If objection is duly made as aforesaid and is not withdrawn, the district council shall set a further date, not later than two months after the first specified date, on which the variation shall come into force with or without modification as decided by the district council after consideration of the objections.


(6) A district council may remit the whole or part of any fee chargeable in pursuance of this section for the grant of a licence under section 48 or 55 of this Act in any case in which they think it appropriate to do so.

All the fees paid into every council that I can think of exceed £25.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:32 pm 
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All the fees paid into every council that I can think of exceed £25.


yes so they should be advertised - according to the act anyway.

the point is the operator cannot really object to the fees when its time to pay them.

the council shouldn't have issued the license

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:13 pm 
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I am confused here? What fees have not been paid if the sum is £40,000? You state operators fees, so how much is an operators licese and how long does it run for?

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I am confused here? What fees have not been paid if the sum is £40,000? You state operators fees, so how much is an operators licese and how long does it run for?


    ◾Pay the appropriate fee:

    ◾1 vehicle £140.00

    ◾2-5 vehicles £234.00

    ◾6-10 vehicles £336.00

    ◾11-15 vehicles £434.00

    ◾16-20 vehicles £538.00

    ◾21-25 vehicles £639.00

    ◾26-30 vehicles £737.00

    ◾31-35 vehicles £837.00

    ◾more than 35 vehicles – each additional 5 vehicles £102.00

    ◾moving the band upwards within the duration of a licence £135.00.

How long does my licence last for?

A private hire operator licence usually lasts for one year from the date of issue and is not transferable.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:32 pm 
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grandad wrote:
I am confused here? What fees have not been paid if the sum is £40,000? You state operators fees, so how much is an operators licese and how long does it run for?


    ◾Pay the appropriate fee:

    ◾1 vehicle £140.00

    ◾2-5 vehicles £234.00

    ◾6-10 vehicles £336.00

    ◾11-15 vehicles £434.00

    ◾16-20 vehicles £538.00

    ◾21-25 vehicles £639.00

    ◾26-30 vehicles £737.00

    ◾31-35 vehicles £837.00

    ◾more than 35 vehicles – each additional 5 vehicles £102.00

    ◾moving the band upwards within the duration of a licence £135.00.

How long does my licence last for?

A private hire operator licence usually lasts for one year from the date of issue and is not transferable.

WOW! What exactly does an operator get for his money? And why does the price go up with the number of cars?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:36 pm 
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grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
grandad wrote:
I am confused here? What fees have not been paid if the sum is £40,000? You state operators fees, so how much is an operators licese and how long does it run for?


    ◾Pay the appropriate fee:

    ◾1 vehicle £140.00

    ◾2-5 vehicles £234.00

    ◾6-10 vehicles £336.00

    ◾11-15 vehicles £434.00

    ◾16-20 vehicles £538.00

    ◾21-25 vehicles £639.00

    ◾26-30 vehicles £737.00

    ◾31-35 vehicles £837.00

    ◾more than 35 vehicles – each additional 5 vehicles £102.00

    ◾moving the band upwards within the duration of a licence £135.00.

How long does my licence last for?

A private hire operator licence usually lasts for one year from the date of issue and is not transferable.

WOW! What exactly does an operator get for his money? And why does the price go up with the number of cars?

A piece of paper to stick on a wall and maybe another one to file.


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WOW! What exactly does an operator get for his money? And why does the price go up with the number of cars?

A piece of paper to stick on a wall and maybe another one to file.

I assume that this piece of paper is the same regardless of how many vehicles the license covers. Do the licensing team wear masks similar to one worn by Dick Turpin?

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WOW! What exactly does an operator get for his money? And why does the price go up with the number of cars?



any reasonable administrative or other costs in connection with the foregoing and with the control and supervision of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:44 pm 
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grandad wrote:
WOW! What exactly does an operator get for his money? And why does the price go up with the number of cars?



any reasonable administrative or other costs in connection with the foregoing and with the control and supervision of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

I think I might be questioning the word "reasonable".

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captain cab wrote:
grandad wrote:
WOW! What exactly does an operator get for his money? And why does the price go up with the number of cars?



any reasonable administrative or other costs in connection with the foregoing and with the control and supervision of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

Ok. Back to the original question. Is it legal to charge everyone except one for exactly the same piece of paper?


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Ok. Back to the original question. Is it legal to charge everyone except one for exactly the same piece of paper?


No

If the operator had objected then none of the license fees would have gone up

the council should take steps to stop the operator from trading

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:51 pm 
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Ok. Back to the original question. Is it legal to charge everyone except one for exactly the same piece of paper?

Clearly the answer you are looking for is "no" but quite frankly, without the full details of the situation it would be impossible for anyone to give a definitive answer. Maybe the fees have been put on hold by a court pending the outcome of some kind of appeal or investigation. We won't know that. Maybe the rest of you should take similar action against the Council and see if your fees are, shall we say suspended pending an outcome.

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grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Ok. Back to the original question. Is it legal to charge everyone except one for exactly the same piece of paper?

Clearly the answer you are looking for is "no" but quite frankly, without the full details of the situation it would be impossible for anyone to give a definitive answer. Maybe the fees have been put on hold by a court pending the outcome of some kind of appeal or investigation. We won't know that. Maybe the rest of you should take similar action against the Council and see if your fees are, shall we say suspended pending an outcome.

No court case. Just a licensing officer of dubious honesty.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:22 pm 
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grandad wrote:
billybobs wrote:
Ok. Back to the original question. Is it legal to charge everyone except one for exactly the same piece of paper?

Clearly the answer you are looking for is "no" but quite frankly, without the full details of the situation it would be impossible for anyone to give a definitive answer. Maybe the fees have been put on hold by a court pending the outcome of some kind of appeal or investigation. We won't know that. Maybe the rest of you should take similar action against the Council and see if your fees are, shall we say suspended pending an outcome.

No court case. Just a licensing officer of dubious honesty.

My approach to this would be to send an email to every member of the licensing committee or the committee that deals with fees, they are different committees in my borough, and also the Chief Exec pointing out your concerns. You have to assume that the committee members are also in the dark about this.

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Is the prop of the firm a singer from the late 80's ?

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