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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:46 pm 
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BTW, which political party ever achieved that sort of percentage in a GE? :-k

Conservatives in 1924, 1931, 1935, 1955, 1959. and 1970.
Labour in 1945, 1950, 1951, 1955(lost) and 1966.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:03 pm 
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BTW, which political party ever achieved that sort of percentage in a GE? :-k

Conservatives in 1924, 1931, 1935, 1955, 1959. and 1970.
Labour in 1945, 1950, 1951, 1955(lost) and 1966.


Interesting you only count one of those as a loser :lol:

And only one of them was even in my lifetime :badgrin:

Think your Tory vermin will get even close to that figure in May?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:13 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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BTW, which political party ever achieved that sort of percentage in a GE? :-k

Conservatives in 1924, 1931, 1935, 1955, 1959. and 1970.
Labour in 1945, 1950, 1951, 1955(lost) and 1966.


Interesting you only count one of those as a loser :lol:

And only one of them was even in my lifetime :badgrin:

Think your Tory vermin will get even close to that figure in May?

The reason for that one being a loser is because the conservatives also got over 45% in the same election. There have been many more elections where the winning party achieved between 40% and 45% of the vote. In fact it is most elections.

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Conservatives in 1924, 1931, 1935, 1955, 1959. and 1970.
Labour in 1945, 1950, 1951, 1955(lost) and 1966.


Interesting you only count one of those as a loser :lol:

And only one of them was even in my lifetime :badgrin:

Think your Tory vermin will get even close to that figure in May?

The reason for that one being a loser is because the conservatives also got over 45% in the same election. There have been many more elections where the winning party achieved between 40% and 45% of the vote. In fact it is most elections.


By your assertion, 45% is a losing vote.
That makes the top scoring party at nearly every election a loser.

Carrying that logic forward, Has any government in living memory managed 50%?
If not, they have all been rejected by more people than voted for them :lol: :lol: :lol:

So much for the democratic will of the people. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:02 am 
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gusmac wrote:

By your assertion, 45% is a losing vote.
That makes the top scoring party at nearly every election a loser.

Carrying that logic forward, Has any government in living memory managed 50%?
If not, they have all been rejected by more people than voted for them :lol: :lol: :lol:

So much for the democratic will of the people. :roll:

Not my assertion. You asked if any party had achieved 45%. I gave you the figures. In the 1955 election the Tory's got 49.7% of the vote which gave them 345 seats and Labour got 46.4% of the vote which gave them 277 seats. In 1931 the conservatives got £55.5% of the vote and won 470 seats.

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grandad wrote:
Not my assertion.

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I don't think so. They lost the indy vote so not everyone up there supports them.


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You asked if any party had achieved 45%. I gave you the figures. In the 1955 election the Tory's got 49.7% of the vote which gave them 345 seats and Labour got 46.4% of the vote which gave them 277 seats. In 1931 the conservatives got £55.5% of the vote and won 470 seats.


The election is for around 40% of the parliament and that election is almost always won by a party which gains far less than 50% of the votes. Some such as Tony Blair in 2005 barely managed a third. It's a joke.
The other 60% of parliament is made up of failed and rejected politicians, political donors, the descendants of people who once did the establishment favours, churchmen and other unelected nobodies. Vermin in Ermine.
British democracy is just a thin veneer to cover a rotten and corrupt system that is not fit for purpose and is in no way democratic.
It continues because it suits the two major parties to keep it that way.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:06 am 
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gusmac wrote:
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Not my assertion.

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I don't think so. They lost the indy vote so not everyone up there supports them.


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You asked if any party had achieved 45%. I gave you the figures. In the 1955 election the Tory's got 49.7% of the vote which gave them 345 seats and Labour got 46.4% of the vote which gave them 277 seats. In 1931 the conservatives got £55.5% of the vote and won 470 seats.


The election is for around 40% of the parliament and that election is almost always won by a party which gains far less than 50% of the votes. Some such as Tony Blair in 2005 barely managed a third. It's a joke.
The other 60% of parliament is made up of failed and rejected politicians, political donors, the descendants of people who once did the establishment favours, churchmen and other unelected nobodies. Vermin in Ermine.
British democracy is just a thin veneer to cover a rotten and corrupt system that is not fit for purpose and is in no way democratic.
It continues because it suits the two major parties to keep it that way.

Having been proved wrong on the percentage question, you now decide to change your argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:44 am 
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Of course they lost. If Carlisle were playing against Blackpool and the scoreline was 55 to Blackpool and 45 to Carlisle that would mean that Carlisle lost.


You appear to miss my point-

the 55% included all of the pro unionist vote

the 55 % will contain say (and for example)

Tories 10%
Labour 25%
Lib Dem 10%
UKIP 10%

they will effectively take votes off each other in May

The SNP had 45% - if that solid 45% is transferred into May - then the SNP will take almost all Scottish seats at Westminster

The SNP may have lost the referendum but they will win in the long term

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:49 pm 
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Having been proved wrong on the percentage question, you now decide to change your argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I change nothing :lol:
45% is more than adequate in most circumstances, particularly under the corrupt parliamentary system your party is so fond of........ as you are about to find out.
The argument remains the same, you just aren't in it :D

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Of course they lost. If Carlisle were playing against Blackpool and the scoreline was 55 to Blackpool and 45 to Carlisle that would mean that Carlisle lost.


You appear to miss my point-

the 55% included all of the pro unionist vote

the 55 % will contain say (and for example)

Tories 10%
Labour 25%
Lib Dem 10%
UKIP 10%

they will effectively take votes off each other in May

The SNP had 45% - if that solid 45% is transferred into May - then the SNP will take almost all Scottish seats at Westminster

The SNP may have lost the referendum but they will win in the long term


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gusmac wrote:
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grandad wrote:
Of course they lost. If Carlisle were playing against Blackpool and the scoreline was 55 to Blackpool and 45 to Carlisle that would mean that Carlisle lost.


You appear to miss my point-

the 55% included all of the pro unionist vote

the 55 % will contain say (and for example)

Tories 10%
Labour 25%
Lib Dem 10%
UKIP 10%

they will effectively take votes off each other in May

The SNP had 45% - if that solid 45% is transferred into May - then the SNP will take almost all Scottish seats at Westminster

The SNP may have lost the referendum but they will win in the long term


=D> =D> =D> =D>

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Gibraltar scored one?

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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:

You appear to miss my point-

the 55% included all of the pro unionist vote

the 55 % will contain say (and for example)

Tories 10%
Labour 25%
Lib Dem 10%
UKIP 10%

they will effectively take votes off each other in May

The SNP had 45% - if that solid 45% is transferred into May - then the SNP will take almost all Scottish seats at Westminster

The SNP may have lost the referendum but they will win in the long term


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Gibraltar scored one?


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After the fire went out, ATOS declared her fit to work :badgrin:

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Right now, party strategists are squinting at demographic tools that divide Britain into sub-tribes in a battle to woo voters in individual postcodes. But they’re missing the bigger picture. This election is set to be dominated by political divides that are new, and much larger. Instead of micro-demographic categories, what we’ll need to understand are dreams. These can be reduced to three geospatial identities, which I’ve labelled Scandi-Scotland, the asset-rich south-east and post-industrial Britain.

The whole drama of the election rests on the fact that none of the major parties has fully accepted the emergence of these new faultlines, and are still trying to capture a political centre that does not exist.

Let’s start with Scandi-Scotland. If the polls are right, the next parliament will be dominated by the issue of Scottish independence. If you think this was settled in last September’s referendum, you’d be wrong. Large numbers of Scots, even some who voted no, have formed an identity best summed up by the pre-referendum poster that said: “Welcome to the warm south of Scandinavia”. It is left-social democratic in content, but globalist and Europeanist in reach. Whatever the unionist parties say about a coalition with the SNP, the question of whether this dream can be fulfilled within the UK will be crucial.

But that is only a product of the second geospatial fact that nobody wants to talk about: the north-south divide. It’s an old reality but one that has evolved into something harder and more complex. There is a distinct south-east English identity forming around a persistent economic fact: asset wealth. If you look at a map of Britain resized according to house prices, London and the south-east form a massive blob, and every other region and nation are mere stringy offshoots, like a fried egg that is all yolk. Though enlarged by the current house-price boom, this inequality is at least as old as the free-market era and has produced a mindset in south-east England that crosses classes and ethnicities.

People in south-east England understand, implicitly, that they are riding the success of Britain as a financialised economy. They understand that, when this great financial machine is functioning, even as it boosts inequality, the only logical thing to do is find your place in it – whether as a currency trader or taxi driver, lapdancer or legal secretary. Blairism’s insight was to understand this change was underway, and to adapt Labour’s politics to capturing parts of south-east England. The party’s mistake was to believe the change was universal, and that Scotland, Wales and northern England would stay loyal as it made the adaptation.

That they did not has led to the formation of the third geospatial identity: post-industrial Britain. This includes much of northern England, south Wales, many coastal towns and most big cities. Post-industrial does not mean “rust belt”; it means the industries that survive are hi-tech, globally focused and employ a fraction of the staff they used to. But there is a strong self-replicating industrial consciousness; a more hostile attitude to asset wealth; stronger local identities – which become fractious where the labour market is globalised.

Can these three groups exist together in a single political system? During the Scottish referendum, it was clear that many young Scots believed the “aspirational southerner” group in England is more or less permanently aligned with conservatism and liberalism, and can therefore block the left-social democratic government in Westminster that many of them want. They looked at the ethnic tension in northern English towns, the decline of trade unions, the splintering of the Labour vote to Ukip, and concluded that, though the post-industrial group is their natural ally, it can never win a governing majority.

Today, with £375bn of quantitative-easing cash sloshing around, and an avalanche of infrastructure projects focused on London, the south-east group can look in the window of the estate agents and once again feel good. Flattened wages mean the feelgood factor may be weak, but it is as real in Basingstoke as it is absent in Barrow-in-Furness. The only faultline within the south-east identity is generational. The asset-wealth-generating machine is only working for the middle aged and older. Many young people are renting, and are bitter about being locked out of the housing market.

If you look at this election as a contest between three geographically determined dreams, here’s the problem. The only one of these groups plagued by doubt and incoherence is post-industrial Britain. The SNP and the Tories seem to have captured the zeitgeist of their heartlands well. Labour has not. Having spent last week sitting in the clubs and workplaces of Blackpool, Preston and Barrow-in-Furness, I can see the situation is clearly: that even where they’ll vote solidly for Labour, they’ll do so without enthusiasm. Offered the chance to watch Paxman v Miliband, the members of one Barrow working men’s club switched to the rugby league.

So post-industrial Britain feels trapped between two rival but confident narratives that it cannot culturally relate to. Looked at this way, the election becomes a survival battle for Labour. It has to stem losses in Scotland, hold on to the English inner cities and reach into those parts of south-east England where housing economics are blighting the prospects of the young. It’s doable, but still leaves the basic problem intact.

Politics is no longer about finding the middle ground between “two nations”: it’s about three dreams that may be incompatible within the current constitutional framework. That, for all the rhetoric, is what the election will really be about.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... s-election

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