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 Post subject: Bad cabs in Swansea
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:19 pm 
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More than half taxis, minibuses, private hire and other vehicles declared unsafe in Swansea checks


MORE than half the minibuses, private hire vehicles and taxis checked in Swansea city centre in a night-time operation were found to be unsafe.

A two-night clampdown by South Wales Police, VOSA, HMRC and Swansea Council found the vehicles were not roadworthy and many of them were prevented from going any further because their condition was so poor.

The latest clampdown on poor and un-roadworthy vehicles being used to take visitors to and from the city centre saw four seized for serious vehicle defects, three for no insurance and 11 fixed penalty notices for minor offences.

Sgt Geraint Jenkins, who co-ordinated the operation which ran during the busy Six Nations rugby tournament, said drivers were potentially putting their fare-paying passengers at risk and that would not be tolerated.

"I'm sure many would be concerned"

He said: "It is concerning to find that some bus and taxi operators are failing to ensure that their vehicles are to a mechanical standard that is required by law.

"People from far and wide come to Swansea to enjoy the nightlife and expect to be transported to and from the city in buses or taxis that are safe and legal. I am sure that many would be concerned if they were aware that the some of the transportation does not meet the required standards.

"These latest operations have once again demonstrated our commitment to tackling those individuals and companies who are continuing to ignore the law and potentially put lives at risk."

A spokesperson for Swansea Council said: "As the taxi and private hire licensing authority, we are determined to do all we can to protect passengers from drivers and vehicle owners who are operating outside the terms of their licence or because their vehicles aren't fit to be on the road.

"It's very worrying that of more than 50 vehicles which were examined by the various agencies, at least half were not fit for the road."

Some of the vehicles inspected as part of the operation were licensed in other Local Authority areas and some by VOSA.

Twenty-nine of the vehicles and drivers inspected were licensed by Swansea Council.

Nine of the 29 vehicles were also issued with immediate suspension notices by council officers for faults that presented a risk to passenger safety and for non-compliance with council standards.

This meant that drivers were unable to work the vehicles until the faults were put right and the vehicles re-inspected.

The clampdown took place at the LC car park on February 28 and March 21.

Details of offences detected:

•In excess of 50 vehicles (and drivers) were examined and checked by all partner agencies. Among them were licensed taxis, private hire vehicles, buses, and minibuses.

•3 vehicles were seized for no insurance

•4 vehicles were seizures for serious vehicle defects

•In excess of 25 Road Worthiness Prohibition Notices were issued. (A high percentage were prevented from conducting any further work or moving any further from the location until issues rectified).

•5 Fixed Penalty Notices re tyre depth standards were issued.

•6 Fixed Penalty Notices for minor offences were issued.

•There were 9 Immediate Suspension Notices for faults relating to passenger safety or non-compliance

•All vehicles were checked for illegal use of Red Diesel by the HMRC Red Diesel Unit. (No illegal use identified)

•1 mini bus driver was issued with a £300 fine for no tachograph fitted after the vehicle had been adapted to carry more than the legally allowed number for use without tachograph.

•1 driver was issued with a verbal warning for tinted front windows that did not comply with standards


Read more: http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk ... z3WjPEh36W

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cabs in Swansea
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And i bet the majority were "self employed" of whom 78% live below the poverty line, which just maybe inhibits their ability to maintain their Vehicles :?: :?:

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More than half?

A clear case of over zealous enforcement methinks

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And i bet the majority were "self employed" of whom 78% live below the poverty line, which just maybe inhibits their ability to maintain their Vehicles :?: :?:


You are spot on.

It would be interesting to see the stats from the tariff PH monthly league table, as to how the percentage failures pan out from the best to the last in the tariff. To my way of thinking it would be a sure fire way of demonstrating to the local LA's the necessity of having a sensible tariff, as to one that is tariffed deliberately cheaply to take the scum/crime off of the streets.

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Cabby John 1 wrote:
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And i bet the majority were "self employed" of whom 78% live below the poverty line, which just maybe inhibits their ability to maintain their Vehicles :?: :?:


You are spot on.

It would be interesting to see the stats from the tariff PH monthly league table, as to how the percentage failures pan out from the best to the last in the tariff. To my way of thinking it would be a sure fire way of demonstrating to the local LA's the necessity of having a sensible tariff, as to one that is tariffed deliberately cheaply to take the scum/crime off of the streets.


Of course but somewhat complicated for your average contributor on here :badgrin: :badgrin:

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cabs in Swansea
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trotskys twin wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
And i bet the majority were "self employed" of whom 78% live below the poverty line, which just maybe inhibits their ability to maintain their Vehicles :?: :?:


You are spot on.

It would be interesting to see the stats from the tariff PH monthly league table, as to how the percentage failures pan out from the best to the last in the tariff. To my way of thinking it would be a sure fire way of demonstrating to the local LA's the necessity of having a sensible tariff, as to one that is tariffed deliberately cheaply to take the scum/crime off of the streets.


Of course but somewhat complicated for your average contributor on here :badgrin: :badgrin:



More than 50 were not even fit for the road let alone fit for purpose.
If you cannot maintain your cab to the standards prescribed then you have no place in the trade.

Sorry I killed you all but I was living well below the poverty line at the time of the incident innit .

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More than 50 were not even fit for the road let alone fit for purpose.
If you cannot maintain your cab to the standards prescribed then you have no place in the trade.

Sorry I killed you all but I was living well below the poverty line at the time of the incident innit .

Yours sincerely
Average contributer :roll:


I understand what you are saying of a fashion. Having said that the LA's back drivers into a corner i.e, they (the drivers) have to take on vehicles in order to get a license that necessitate repayments + office admin + trying to support families i.e mortgage/rent etc.....so do your/my kids have breakfast Or do I buy a new tyre ?

It is time that the LA's stopped passing the buck/hiding behind the high moral ground, and made/make sure that the tariff reflects a decent living wage without the drivers having to work silly hours just to stand still.

Desperate times, make desperate people, who nevertheless still want to work and to provide for their families....who are being let down by others who just want to point the finger.......They are just as guilty and need to be accountable.

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Cabby John 1 wrote:
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More than 50 were not even fit for the road let alone fit for purpose.
If you cannot maintain your cab to the standards prescribed then you have no place in the trade.

Sorry I killed you all but I was living well below the poverty line at the time of the incident innit .

Yours sincerely
Average contributer :roll:


I understand what you are saying of a fashion. Having said that the LA's back drivers into a corner i.e, they (the drivers) have to take on vehicles in order to get a license that necessitate repayments + office admin + trying to support families i.e mortgage/rent etc.....so do your/my kids have breakfast Or do I buy a new tyre ?

It is time that the LA's stopped passing the buck/hiding behind the high moral ground, and made/make sure that the tariff reflects a decent living wage without the drivers having to work silly hours just to stand still.

Desperate times, make desperate people, who nevertheless still want to work and to provide for their families....who are being let down by others who just want to point the finger.......They are just as guilty and need to be accountable.

How is your tariff worked out when you ask for a review? When we had a problem of the tariff being to low to make a living I looked around and how some of the other councils' rates were calculated and then adapted one to fit our local conditions. It was based on being able to earn the living wage. It took me quite a while to get the formula right. I then had to get the backing of the majority of the drivers before presenting the proposed tariff to the council. I got the tariff passed. This meant that drivers should be able to earn a decent living, however the problem they lays with the greedy operators who take so much money of the drivers that some drivers can't even make minimum wage and they still choose to work for those operators.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cabs in Swansea
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How is your tariff worked out when you ask for a review? When we had a problem of the tariff being to low to make a living I looked around and how some of the other councils' rates were calculated and then adapted one to fit our local conditions. It was based on being able to earn the living wage. It took me quite a while to get the formula right. I then had to get the backing of the majority of the drivers before presenting the proposed tariff to the council. I got the tariff passed. This meant that drivers should be able to earn a decent living, however the problem they lays with the greedy operators who take so much money of the drivers that some drivers can't even make minimum wage and they still choose to work for those operators.



It is true re the operators and the drivers who just accept their lot..so to speak.

What I was referring to was the Hackneys who have had to purchase Wavs in order to get a plate. The vehicles as you know are expensive.

We had our hackney numbers increased form 450 ish to 967 ish and I am sure that there is an increase in most Boroughs. The problem being is that more than half of the cake/income has been decimated through flooding the market with 5/6/7 seaters, then the so called recession taking a bite, the fuel that went up for years ( we had a small 2.3% rise to cover that - I honestly never noticed the difference) and a tariff that has not had a real rise in 7 years.

You then get LA's getting all sanctimonious by stating vehicles should be in pristine condition, and criticizing drivers for working excessive hours.

My thoughts are that the LA's should be more responsible by making sure that the tariff is capable of providing what they are demanding. I am wondering if there is a case to answer say similar to..........say an employer setting out tasks that are not achievable ( yes I know that we are self employed ).......but the LA's lay the rules/terms/conditions down.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cabs in Swansea
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
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How is your tariff worked out when you ask for a review? When we had a problem of the tariff being to low to make a living I looked around and how some of the other councils' rates were calculated and then adapted one to fit our local conditions. It was based on being able to earn the living wage. It took me quite a while to get the formula right. I then had to get the backing of the majority of the drivers before presenting the proposed tariff to the council. I got the tariff passed. This meant that drivers should be able to earn a decent living, however the problem they lays with the greedy operators who take so much money of the drivers that some drivers can't even make minimum wage and they still choose to work for those operators.



It is true re the operators and the drivers who just accept their lot..so to speak.

What I was referring to was the Hackneys who have had to purchase Wavs in order to get a plate. The vehicles as you know are expensive.

We had our hackney numbers increased form 450 ish to 967 ish and I am sure that there is an increase in most Boroughs. The problem being is that more than half of the cake/income has been decimated through flooding the market with 5/6/7 seaters, then the so called recession taking a bite, the fuel that went up for years ( we had a small 2.3% rise to cover that - I honestly never noticed the difference) and a tariff that has not had a real rise in 7 years.

You then get LA's getting all sanctimonious by stating vehicles should be in pristine condition, and criticizing drivers for working excessive hours.

My thoughts are that the LA's should be more responsible by making sure that the tariff is capable of providing what they are demanding. I am wondering if there is a case to answer say similar to..........say an employer setting out tasks that are not achievable ( yes I know that we are self employed ).......but the LA's lay the rules/terms/conditions down.


No John the disorganised Trade allows them to lay down the T's and C's time for grandads example to be followed ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE =D>

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 Post subject: Re: Bad cabs in Swansea
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I spoke to Swansea Black cab today whilst I was out on my walk at Heathrow.

I'm still recovering from the shock of him telling me he was going back to Swansea for £180 after driving here empty.

Slavery in 2015.


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I spoke to Swansea Black cab today whilst I was out on my walk at Heathrow.

I'm still recovering from the shock of him telling me he was going back to Swansea for £180 after driving here empty.

Slavery in 2015.

About 50 pence per mile for the whole journey. So after taking into account the running costs of a vehicle he made around £3.00 per hour.

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I spoke to Swansea Black cab today whilst I was out on my walk at Heathrow.

I'm still recovering from the shock of him telling me he was going back to Swansea for £180 after driving here empty.

Slavery in 2015.


WTF??

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Slavery is common practice within the Taxi Trade mate, when you've got these ding bat operators dictating prices which they don't have to charge because they sit in their nice warm houses on a weekend night counting their money while his owner drivers are out there charging Mickey Mouse fares earning a pittance.


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I spoke to Swansea Black cab today whilst I was out on my walk at Heathrow.

I'm still recovering from the shock of him telling me he was going back to Swansea for £180 after driving here empty.

Slavery in 2015.

We have taxis and PH that do Heathrows at a pro-rata rate to that of the Swansea cab. :sad:

Some say slavery rates, some say f***wit drivers. :sad:

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Sussex wrote:
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I spoke to Swansea Black cab today whilst I was out on my walk at Heathrow.

I'm still recovering from the shock of him telling me he was going back to Swansea for £180 after driving here empty.

Slavery in 2015.

We have taxis and PH that do Heathrows at a pro-rata rate to that of the Swansea cab. :sad:

Some say slavery rates, some say f***wit drivers. :sad:


f**ckwit drivers EXACTLY #-o #-o

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