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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:49 pm 
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IMO City Cabs members would probably vote unaimously against the merger now.
Also I think the members that voted last time were more than happy with city cabs current set up, contracts they had and how the company was run. Possibly they saw how CRT was being run and believed a change in committee wasn't in their best interests.


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LongshanksED wrote:
IMO City Cabs members would probably vote unaimously against the merger now.
Also I think the members that voted last time were more than happy with city cabs current set up, contracts they had and how the company was run. Possibly they saw how CRT was being run and believed a change in committee wasn't in their best interests.


Longshanks, your "opinion" is nothing short of idiocy. I think you were born an ars* and if you live to be a hundred nothing will change. #-o #-o #-o It's what you are, it's in your nature. #-o #-o Now jog on son. #-o #-o I can't remember the last time you made a valid point. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:46 pm 
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If common-sense prevailed, and individual agendas were put aside then a merger would go through with an overwhelming majority.

Just think about the benefits:

- 1 set of premises to pay for and service.
- 1 committee to pay for.
- 1 call centre to pay for.
- 1 system to run.
- I marketing function to pay for.
- Massive buying power on behalf of members with suppliers.
- More cabs to cover contract work for both firms so better customer service.
- Both companies working the Airport, NHS etc as one company.

The list is not exhaustive but the savings would be significant for the members/owners and the benefits speak for themselves.

Unfortunately too much bad blood and ill feeling now so very unlikely to happen.

A massive missed opportunity and still struggle to this day to understand why City members voted the way they did as there was no Committee involvement/influence after all??????

Would be interesting to hear how City member’s would view a merger proposal now?


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les mcvay wrote:
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A sadly predictable response. It all goes down the same eight year old tiresome road from here. Ignore the facts and state the same old spiel over and over.

Every anonymous anti committee contribution is spot on even it didn't happen. What matters is it gives you an opportunity to vent your spleen because of your past mistakes.
Admit it Gary you are still on here because you are missing us and you just cannot live a life without the taxi trade.




Hi Les, I take it that both companies conducted the ballot about the merger by the ballot box and not by show of hands


Yes it was a ballot box vote


Aye and I bet you and Dod poisoned the well with your loaded proxy votes. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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les mcvay wrote:
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LongshanksED wrote:
IMO City Cabs members would probably vote unaimously against the merger now.
Also I think the members that voted last time were more than happy with city cabs current set up, contracts they had and how the company was run. Possibly they saw how CRT was being run and believed a change in committee wasn't in their best interests.


Longshanks, your "opinion" is nothing short of idiocy. I think you were born an ars* and if you live to be a hundred nothing will change. #-o #-o #-o It's what you are, it's in your nature. #-o #-o Now jog on son. #-o #-o I can't remember the last time you made a valid point. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o


Pure quality reply.
And you a well read man too!


This is the one you are trying to dodge Les... #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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Aye and I bet you and Dod poisoned the well with your loaded proxy votes. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Oh and Les, in-comparison to you, I am a fu*king intellectual. :D

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les mcvay wrote:
Oh and Les, in-comparison to you, I am a fu*king intellectual. :D

Really?


Aye really!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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And I bet you and Dod poisoned the well with your loaded proxy votes?


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Well Les ..? #-o

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les mcvay wrote:
No I am afraid to disappoint you with the truth yet again.
As far as I recollect the amount of proxies submitted was less than 10% of the overall vote and as I don't know how the proxy holders voted I wouldn't know how it effected the vote.

What was there to be gained by poisoning the vote as you say?
We are after all honourable men.


Les you dumb shi*!! #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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Proxy voting is a form of voting whereby some members of a decision-making body may delegate their voting power to other members of the same body to vote in their absence, and/or to select additional representatives.



Are you for fuc*ing real? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Les, you and Dod voted on behalf of these ars*holes ... and if anyone should know, it is you? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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les mcvay wrote:
Proxy voting is a form of voting whereby some members of a decision-making body may delegate their voting power to other members of the same body to vote in their absence, and/or to select additional representatives.

Told you before Gary posting whilst enjoying a tipple can be foolhardy.

Members are entitled to delegate their voting power to other members. Not necessarily committee members and certainly not necessarily to Dode or myself. I personally am not a big fan of proxy votes as I feel the member should attend the meeting.
If members hand their proxy to friends to vote on their behalf how am I supposed to know, given that it was a ballot vote, who is voting for or against.
Do you get it now or perhaps you should wait until mid morning after a cup of coffee.

Oh and really do take offence to you referring to our members as ar*eholes given the level of intellect that your recent posts bring to the debate.


So how many proxy votes did you and Dod hold, exactly? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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Les I’m respectful of your response/opinions, however on a parting note some food for thought for you to choose to accept or dis-regard as you see fit:

I personally do not think it’s right or professional for the Director of a large company to be engaging in ‘tit for tat’ comments about the industry, other companies etc. on social media.

You are as you say entitled to spend your time as you see fit but personally I think social media jousting is ill advised and there are seldom any winners and companies and individuals can easily and unintentionally end up on a ‘sticky wicket’.

With regards to your posts ‘not having any pops’, I quote:

'The real question should be why would an individual or an organisation go to these lengths to appeal against a service that they were willing to provide themselves.
It is not just a sad day for Central Radio Taxis but for the whole of the Edinburgh Taxi Trade. It could have quite easily been avoided with just a little common sense at the outset and a little less self interest from a handful of individuals.
Some people should do a little soul searching and a little less anonymous letter writing. I am not just talking about the CRT Committee members, although they are included.
Taxi driving and providing a taxi service is not the most difficult of professions but we do often go out of our way to make it hard for ourselves.
Will anyone from within the Taxi Trade sit back and look at the causes and failings behind this sad tale to try and prevent the same mistakes happening again in the future?
I doubt it.
There will be a good deal of table thumping, finger wagging and rank talk but how many will take the time and put in a bit effort to find out the full story and the actual cause of this sad story.
Before any CRT member or driver rushes in to look for blame elsewhere a good starting point would be to take time and read their own tender bid then consider the above analysis of hypocrisy'.


As above, you comment on it being a sad day for Central, suggest they did not apply common-sense, suggest soul searching within the Central Committee and advise Central members to read their tender bid.

Central Central Central throughout your post Les.

If you cannot see that this was aimed at Central then you should get someone neutral to read over your posts for feedback before you post them.

A blind man on the street could see/feel the ‘Central’ theme and dig(s) coming through in this post.

Was there really any need for this from a Director in the industry who professes to want to work with your counterparts in other large companies such as Central for the greater good of the taxi trade? Was it really helpful in embracing a good on-going working relationship with Central ?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

On a final point I take your point re the ballot etc. but what is still massively confusing is how the vote ended up as a NO.

We are both agreed that the City members agreed to fund the study.

At the point of agreeing to the funding (at substantial cost) there could only have been 2 options post study:

a) The study concludes it’s a good idea and will be to my benefit and I should say yes to it.
b) The study concludes that a merger is a waste of time and I will be worse off and should say no to it.


After agreeing to fund the study surely the City members would have then known that they would have to decide yes or no depending on the outcome.

As we all know the outcome was a) as above, so how on earth did the City membership who had agreed to fund the study then decide that they preferred option b) ?

Why the hell did they ever agree to fund the study in the 1st place if they were never going to accept the recommendation and were always going to vote to maintain the status quo?

Les this makes no sense, absolutely no sense at all to me or anyone looking at this from the outside in.

If you are saying that there was NO COMMITTEE INFLUENCE, or that the proxy votes used by the committee were irrelevant to the overall vote then I have to believe you, but most people would struggle to understand what happened here or the logic applied by the City members to vote NO.

No conspiracy theories but it’s also telling that 5 of the 7 man City Committee who all supported the merger at the outset then voted against it despite it being a stick on recommendation from a professional body.

So let’s run this past you again:

We have a proposal, and a professional body (at substantial cost) have carried out an in-depth study and concluded that by accepting the proposal the members of both City and Central will be substantially better off.

You and I are agreed that the merger made great sense and that it would have been massively beneficial for all concerned, and you were as disappointed as the next man that it failed.


So on the face of it the vote looks like a total formality – YES, why would it not be?

WRONG

Central vote YES (approx. 98% in favour).

City vote NO by an overwhelming majority. Was it 95% against?

?????????????????????

NO THANKS I PREFER TO BE WORSE OFF, I was happy to spend a bucket load of cash on the study but I’m VOTING NO as I would hate to benefit from the savings, efficiencies and extra work.

Is that really how taxi drivers behave in Edinburgh? Is that really what the City owners wanted?

That’s for others to decide but I know what I think and I know how/who I think influenced the vote and it looks and feels like self interest at play as opposed to the greater good and wants and needs of the members.

Anyway I’ve said my tuppence-worth and as mentioned I am respectful of your views and thoughts despite us being on different wavelengths Les.

Just a pity that things are now so badly divided and no real light at the end of the tunnel in terms of the trade coming together to fight off the challenges of the APP companies etc.

Divide and conquer or be conquered???????????????????

We had the chance………………………………………

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