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 Post subject: Re: What do you suggest
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:19 am 
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And why was that?


Because the Labour government and conservatives that followed p*ssed our Marshall Aid money up against the wall.

Wasn't it the case that councils were prevented from building more social housing with the proceeds of council house sales by the then Tory government?

Not much Marshall plan money around by Thatcher's day :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: What do you suggest
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Wasn't it the case that councils were prevented from building more social housing with the proceeds of council house sales by the then Tory government?

Not much Marshall plan money around by Thatcher's day :wink:


I think he was answering Jimbo's poser from the late 1950's :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: What do you suggest
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gusmac wrote:
Wasn't it the case that councils were prevented from building more social housing with the proceeds of council house sales by the then Tory government?

Something like that.

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Wasn't in their best interests to build more council houses at least until they got rid of the old ones but then their was the fear of losing the acquired house, thatcher (no capital with that) was about creating fear, debt was a huge player in her master plan, who owned the debt, correct, her cronies, oh how out of control is debt today, thatcher knew how to keep the working man's head down alright, Boom and Bust, Labourites create the Boom, the winners the Rich, Conservatives manage the bust, the losers the poor, so it's not all about council houses, it's an ideology Hitler would have adopted if he'd have thought of it first, hey maybe he did :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: What do you suggest
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jimbo wrote:
Another question.

Which political party first had the idea of the right to buy council houses?

It appeared in their 1959 manifesto.



Yeah CC - I noticed the date - that is pre Thatcher - and I do realise Jimbo was making a point about it being in the Labour Party's 1959 manifesto - which they subsequently lost.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you suggest
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:02 pm 
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Another question.

Which political party first had the idea of the right to buy council houses?

It appeared in their 1959 manifesto.


I don't have a problem with the right to buy schemes so long as they replace the properties purchased in this with more social housing

Unfortunately that was the problem, the houses couldn't be replaced.


Why not?

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Why not?

Because Snatcher pocketed the money from Council Housing sales.


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I don't have a problem with the right to buy schemes so long as they replace the properties purchased in this with more social housing

Unfortunately that was the problem, the houses couldn't be replaced.


Why not?

The money raised was to be used to reduce Council's debts.

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Granddad wrote:
The money raised was to be used to reduce Council's debts.


Well I guess that selling these homes at reduced rates may top up the coffers but certainly not for the councils that then subsequently pay more in rent by way of benefits to the tenants that now live in them because the person that benefited from the right to buy has rented the property out and moved on :roll: Whilst it's all very noble allowing people to buy, at reduced rates and at the expense of the tax payer, council property it's the most stupid thing if the property is not replaced because the money gained was not enough to build another social housing property.

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I think the plan was to have less Council houses and have the private sector take care of the rental market. A lot of the Council houses that were sold were quite run down and required a fair amount of upgrading. Councils didn't have the money to spend on this upgrading so it made some sense to sell them. however, this also meant that tenants had the right to buy the newer houses as well. The cost of administering Council houses was quite expensive in those days, there was no direct debit for paying the rent it was all done by people knocking on doors to collect the rent on a weekly basis.

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jimbo wrote:
Another question.

Which political party first had the idea of the right to buy council houses?

It appeared in their 1959 manifesto.


I don't have a problem with the right to buy schemes so long as they replace the properties purchased in this with more social housing


Ive never heard anyone mention 1 fact, just the issue that the revenue doesnt go to building new homes

The fact that the land and build costs for a £200K house arent half that amount, in theory they could build 2 new ones for every old one sold....

That would reduce council/welfare waiting lists AND chop down the BTL private landlord business (and the HB that sucks out the welfare budget each year)

I better tell Milly Band

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grandad wrote:
I think the plan was to have less Council houses and have the private sector take care of the rental market. A lot of the Council houses that were sold were quite run down and required a fair amount of upgrading. Councils didn't have the money to spend on this upgrading so it made some sense to sell them. however, this also meant that tenants had the right to buy the newer houses as well. The cost of administering Council houses was quite expensive in those days, there was no direct debit for paying the rent it was all done by people knocking on doors to collect the rent on a weekly basis.


Well that may well have been the case then, so they sell a few off and in an attempt to pay off council bills increase them because private landlords charge more for rent then social housing, did the intelligent idiots not think about that or is it just they didn't care :roll: Any idiot can sell stuff and not replace it but it takes a special kind of idiot who thinks it won't come back and bite them in the ass :lol: To add insult to injury they want to extend it to force housing associations to sell their stock, incidentally stock that doesn't belong to them to sell in the first place, now where have I seen that before :roll:

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toots wrote:
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I think the plan was to have less Council houses and have the private sector take care of the rental market. A lot of the Council houses that were sold were quite run down and required a fair amount of upgrading. Councils didn't have the money to spend on this upgrading so it made some sense to sell them. however, this also meant that tenants had the right to buy the newer houses as well. The cost of administering Council houses was quite expensive in those days, there was no direct debit for paying the rent it was all done by people knocking on doors to collect the rent on a weekly basis.


Well that may well have been the case then, so they sell a few off and in an attempt to pay off council bills increase them because private landlords charge more for rent then social housing, did the intelligent idiots not think about that or is it just they didn't care :roll: Any idiot can sell stuff and not replace it but it takes a special kind of idiot who thinks it won't come back and bite them in the ass :lol: To add insult to injury they want to extend it to force housing associations to sell their stock, incidentally stock that doesn't belong to them to sell in the first place, now where have I seen that before :roll:

Strange but around here if you move into a housing association property you have the option to purchase all or part of the property. They call it shared ownership. You can start by buying say 25% of the property and renting the rest and when you can afford it you can buy more of the property.

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I think the plan was to have less Council houses and have the private sector take care of the rental market. A lot of the Council houses that were sold were quite run down and required a fair amount of upgrading. Councils didn't have the money to spend on this upgrading so it made some sense to sell them. however, this also meant that tenants had the right to buy the newer houses as well. The cost of administering Council houses was quite expensive in those days, there was no direct debit for paying the rent it was all done by people knocking on doors to collect the rent on a weekly basis.


Well that may well have been the case then, so they sell a few off and in an attempt to pay off council bills increase them because private landlords charge more for rent then social housing, did the intelligent idiots not think about that or is it just they didn't care :roll: Any idiot can sell stuff and not replace it but it takes a special kind of idiot who thinks it won't come back and bite them in the ass :lol: To add insult to injury they want to extend it to force housing associations to sell their stock, incidentally stock that doesn't belong to them to sell in the first place, now where have I seen that before :roll:

Strange but around here if you move into a housing association property you have the option to purchase all or part of the property. They call it shared ownership. You can start by buying say 25% of the property and renting the rest and when you can afford it you can buy more of the property.


Yes we have that too in the back of beyond but you never really own it, it's a leasehold and my understanding is you can only ever purchase up to 75% of the property. It's also something that housing associations do to help people own their own homes it's not something that is being forced upon them.

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