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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:26 pm 
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If you vote ‪#‎UKIP‬ in ‪#‎Workington‬, you'll get #UKIP


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this place has always been a labour heartland - save for 1976 when it elected a tory

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If you vote ‪#‎UKIP‬ in ‪#‎Workington‬, you'll get #UKIP


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this place has always been a labour heartland - save for 1976 when it elected a tory


IF IF IF #-o

LABOUR WILL WIN IT .............NO DOUBT YOU WILL BE DELIGHTED :wink:

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LABOUR WILL WIN IT .............NO DOUBT YOU WILL BE DELIGHTED :wink:


I will be extremely happy for you, and I hope your country will improve on May 8th - I'm sure it will - after all the track record is wonderful

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trotskys twin wrote:

LABOUR WILL WIN IT .............NO DOUBT YOU WILL BE DELIGHTED :wink:


I will be extremely happy for you, and I hope your country will improve on May 8th - I'm sure it will - after all the track record is wonderful


If the Vermin get in i wonder if their shut your Hospital?? oh well not to worry eh.........................no more heart attacks coming ?

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Cameron the c+nt visited 6 hospitals pledging they were all safe in Tory hands........................5 years later they are all shut ..........not to worry eh??

Why bother voting its only hospitals ..........................Labour are on course for a landslide in London due to Cameron the c+nt and Barmy Boris :badgrin: :badgrin:

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If the Vermin get in i wonder if their shut your Hospital?? oh well not to worry eh.........................no more heart attacks coming ?



That'll be the new hospital built by the labour party that cannot afford the PFI repayments negotiated by the labour party?

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If the Vermin get in i wonder if their shut your Hospital?? oh well not to worry eh.........................no more heart attacks coming ?



That'll be the new hospital built by the labour party that cannot afford the PFI repayments negotiated by the labour party?


who cares while your breathing your LAST :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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Hospital finances in spotlight as Labour's Burnham visits Carlisle


North Cumbria’s debt-stricken hospitals came into sharp focus yesterday as the politician hoping to be health secretary under a Labour government brought his campaign to Carlisle.

Andy Burnham spent the morning with the city’s Labour parliamentary hopeful Lee Sherriff, visiting Carlisle Youth Zone, a local union office, and a school. He chatted with youth workers, midwives, and parents and fellow campaigners.

He also spent time outlining his vision for greater integration between health and social care – and he promised to investigate ways to lessen the financial burdens imposed on Carlisle’s Cumberland Infirmary by the private finance deal that paid for it.

North Cumbria University Hospitals NHS Trust, which runs the hospitals in Carlisle and Whitehaven, makes annual “mortgage” payments of around £18m.

Managers face an ongoing battle to balance the books. But, asked whether a Labour government would write off the trust’s PFI debt, Mr Burnham said: “I don’t think it’s possible to just do that.

“But I would certainly want to look at it to see if there are things we could do. In Northumbria, there’s a scheme where the local authority helps to bring down the cost of the payments.”

It was Labour who oversaw the introduction of the £87m PFI deal in 2000 that paid for the building of the city’s new infirmary.

Its deficit is currently running at around £16m.

Mr Burnham said: “The people and staff have had a brand new hospital for [15] years and the old hospital had to be replaced. But we want to bring the costs down.”

The politician conceded PFI was part of the problem at the trust, which is still in special measures.

“But it’s not all of the issue,” he said, citing problems with recruitment at north Cumbria’s hospitals and he backed the call from Copeland’s Jamie Reed and Miss Sherriff for a summit to thrash out local health issues.

He said: “I want to see a full integration of health and social care, and I want to see local government having a lead role in commissioning, with a single budget.”

Mr Burnham also spent time chatting to young mothers who meet at the youth zone, which works with NHS midwives to run an informal drop-in and advice service, called “Bumps to Babies”.

It is just one of numerous initiatives at the Youth Zone, a registered charity that depends heavily on grants and has no public funding.

“We had a policy to support centres like this, and I would push for that again,” said Mr Burnham.

“It was scrapped in the cuts that the coalition made. But investing in young people, in the prevention [of problems], is the right thing to do for the country’s finances.”

As the politicians mingled, some of the young mums at the drop-in spoke of how important the service was to them.

“It means a lot to me,” said Jannah Kirby, 20, there with her son Blake. “It’s hard work being a mum if you haven’t got the money to get out and go places.”

Carlisle’s Conservative candidate in the General Election John Stevenson criticised Miss Sherriff for meeting Andy Burnham at Carlisle Youth Zone, saying she failed to support giving it a £10,000 donation at the City Council.

“Carlisle Youth Zone is the only youth zone in the country not to have funding from the local council,” he said.

Miss Sherriff said: “It’s pretty desperate that the Conservatives are using this place as a political football. It’s a fantastic facility.”

The Youth Zone’s development manager said the Bumps to Babies project helps young mums who otherwise may feel isolated and vulnerable. Around 1,000 young people visit the youth zone every week.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/hospi ... -1.1208672

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Yeah the NHS is reeeeeeally safe with Labour

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2000 ... atefinance


Beds crisis - in August?


The first NHS hospital to be built under the private finance initiative has had "teething troubles". Could PFI policy be fatally flawed, asks Nick Mathiason


Sunday 27 August 2000

The portents weren't good when Prime Minister Tony Blair opened Cumberland Infirmary in Carlisle last June.

What should have been a triumph for the Government - a shiny new 'Third Way' hospital built for the public using private money - turned into farce when protesting foxhunters drowned out the self-congratulatory opening speeches.

Maybe it was indeed a sign because, since Blair's ill-fated visit, things have gone terribly wrong at Cumberland, the country's first hospital financed by the controversial private finance initiative:

• Two ceilings have col lapsed because of cheap plastic joints in piping and other plumbing faults - one joint narrowly missed patients in the maternity unit.

• The sewerage system could not cope with the number of users and police flooded an operating theatre.

• Clerical and laundry staff cannot work in their offices because they are too small.

• Expensive bespoke trolleys had to be commissioned because those supplied don't fit the spaces between beds.

• The transparent roof means that on sunny days the temperature inside Cumberland Infirmary reaches over 33C - the hospital has no air conditioning.

• Two windows have blown out of their frames, one showering a consultant and a nurse with glass.

These 'mistakes' are bad enough, but what is worse is that in August, when hospitals are usually quiet, there are now 'bed jams' at the 444-bed Cumberland, which is currently at full capacity.

'God only knows what will happen in the winter,' a Unison spokesman said. 'It's appalling and the whole PFI project, not just Carlisle, seems to be flying in the face of Blair's National Plan for the NHS to get more beds into the system.'

A spokesman for the infirmary confirmed each of the problems: 'We acknowledge there have been teething problems but we don't feel they're related to PFI.'

The summer bed jam is blamed by the Carlisle Trust on 'an unusual number of emergency admissions, which is blurring the line between summer and winter'.

Amec, the main construction company on the project, whose shares have leapt 40 per cent in six weeks thanks to increased public spending earmarked in last month's Comprehensive Spending Review, would not comment on specifics, other than to say: 'We are extremely proud of our work in Carlisle and any problems are part of teething difficulties associated with major projects.'

But those in Carlisle disagree. They say what is wrong with Cumberland is symptomatic of a deeper malaise. The first PFI hospital represents all that critics hate about this funding model. They say PFI is a totally unsatisfactory solution that will divert money from health provision into the hands of accountants, lawyers, surveyors and construction companies.

The most fundamental criticism is that the NHS is paying over the odds for new hospitals. Under the PFI model, a private-sector consortium owns a building and leases it back to a health trust. Most lease contracts, including Cumberland, have rents linked to the retail price index and last 30 years or longer.

Cumberland will pay £11 million in rent this year to the PFI consortium. Inflation currently stands at 2.2 per cent. That means next year Cumberland will fork out an extra £242,000 in rent.

While inflation is now under control, no one knows how the economy will pan out in five years, let alone 30 years.

'We could be paying well over £500m for a hospital which only cost £67m,' said one Cumberland insider.

Small wonder an Institute of Directors survey last June found that 70 per cent of those involved in PFI believe it provides an investment opportunity with a reasonable return and without unmanageable risk.

With the pressure to create a decent return for the private sector, all costs are squeezed. Smaller hospitals cost less to build and the British Medical Association estimates that 5,000 beds will be lost to the system once the 38 PFI hospitals, costing more than £3.6 billion, are built.

Reducing the number of beds is not necessarily a bad thing. But, as in the case of Cumberland, a reduction in beds could prove fatal come winter.

Health Minister Alan Milburn was so concerned about PFI bed cuts that he ordered the £900m University College Hospital PFI scheme, again led by Amec, to increase bed provision. Observers say this will push costs to well over £1bn.

Architects, meanwhile, are often frozen out of the PFI design process and cheap materials are used in many schemes.

'The main difficulty for the architect is that we are kept away from hospital workers. Our client is the consortium. This doesn't serve the best interest of design and that's why mistakes happen,' said one architect who has worked on many hospital PFI projects.

Advocates of PFI say that following Treasury guidelines on PFI last March, the NHS is no longer forced to accept the lowest tender for a scheme and that 'best value' are now the watchwords. This will see the quality of future hospitals improve.

That may be, but in Dudley, West Midlands, ancillary workers have more pressing concerns. They are poised to strike because new workers in the PFI hospital will not be guaranteed NHS pensions.

In Worcestershire, there are fears that David Lock, the Kidderminster Labour MP, could lose his seat to an independent opposed to plans to merge the local hospital with one in Worcester, leading to a 28 per cent reduction in acute beds.

But the PFI hospital bandwagon rolls on. Since May 1997, the Government has given the go-ahead for 38 - half are under way.

Within months, NHS Estates, which is responsible for the Health Service's property portfolio worth £23bn, will sell a £900m chunk of its real estate. Once sold, the money will be used to part-fund more PFI schemes because the Treasury and the Department of Health are adamant that there is no alternative to PFI.

The days of public infrastructure projects paid and owned by the state are clearly over. But the legacy of hospital PFI schemes in years to come may make last winter's NHS crisis, when a flu epidemic nearly brought the system to a standstill, seem like a fuss about nothing.

What is the Private Finance Initiative (PFI)?
The Private Finance Initiative (PFI) is a method used in public sector projects such as the building and operation of trunk roads, rail and underground train networks, government computer systems and the construction of NHS hospitals. It was launched by the Conservative government in 1992 and has been enthusiastically continued by Labour.

PFI's aim, said the Treasury in 1997, is to transform 'public sector organisations from being owners of assets and direct providers of services into purchasers of services from the private sector'.

Once a consortium wins the right to build, for example, a new hospital, after costly tendering processes, it will lease the buildings back to the NHS at market rates for between 20 and 60 years.In the long run this is demonstrably more expensive than if the NHS was to build its own hospitals, not least because the private sector cannot borrow money as cheaply as government.

Also, professional fees for lawyers, accountants and surveyors can lead to hefty additional costs.

So why do it? By giving the private sector responsibility for providing services and buildings for the public sector, the Treasury can keep these projects off balance sheet which means public borrowing is lower.

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So basically the PFI deal - negotiated by Labour - and responsible for crippling our hospital finances - must be paid - thanks labour you f*cking morons.

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Hospitals Mr Burnham - we had 3 hospitals - we now have 1 that we cannot afford - you sold off the other hospitals to the private sector

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Hospitals Mr Burnham - we had 3 hospitals - we now have 1 that we cannot afford - you sold off the other hospitals to the private sector


Yep Blairite scum ran riot ..........whats new? you think we didnt know or argue against it to only be told you fekking lefties are dinosaurs, but now that hospital will BE shut by the Tories .......................never mind eh :badgrin: who cares #-o evidently not you ...mug ,,,the sad thing is they can be stopped ..............................and of course Labour is a different animal now ............sometimes its difficult not to wish ill upon morons like you :D if it was only you who was to suffer through the hospital closing ...no problem :badgrin: but of course many others will including children who look to their elders for guidance and support .........wasting their time with YOU evidently ..........................................VOTE LABOUR SAVE THE NHS ON THE 7TH MAY =D> =D>

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VOTE LABOUR SAVE THE NHS ON THE 7TH MAY =D> =D>


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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VOTE LABOUR SAVE THE NHS ON THE 7TH MAY =D> =D>


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


as usual no ideas policies suggestions of your own :?: :?: :?: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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IM GOING DOWN THE FEKKING PUB =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


BOOZE BOOZE BOOZE =D> =D> GARGLE GARGLE GARGLE =D> =D>

UP THE REPUBLIC ..............................MEAT HOOKS AND PIANO WIRE FOR THE VON WINDSOR SCUM :badgrin: =D> =D> 8)


DEATH TO CUMBRIAN SHEEP SHAGGERS :shock: :shock: :shock:

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as usual no ideas policies suggestions of your own :?: :?: :?: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


String them all up?

Or we could do the SNP thing about austerity and tell people we will end it - but not actually end it - just extend it and tell people your ending it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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