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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:35 pm 
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Yes - but! we are also having to take into consideration the law/legal aspects, I guess that this is not just down to the L.A's. You can bet that in the event of an accident, the Insurance companies will be looking at U.K law to avoid paying out.

So why not do the simple thing and refuse to carry a buggy with a kid in it. That way you will know that you are ok. To me this is just common sense. Why would you want to take the risk?


Desperados always worried about missing out on a hire. Profit before safety is synonymous with this trade.
Like I said earlier, time to get rid of this dog's breakfast of exemptions. If its unsafe in your own car, its unsafe in someone else's or a taxi.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:57 pm 
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Yes - but! we are also having to take into consideration the law/legal aspects, I guess that this is not just down to the L.A's. You can bet that in the event of an accident, the Insurance companies will be looking at U.K law to avoid paying out.

So why not do& the simple thing and refuse to carry a buggy with a kid in it. That way you will know that you are ok. To me this is just common sense. Why would you want to take the risk?


1. I meant to say 'partition' not petition.
2. FX4, TX1 2 & 4 are purpose built taxis for the transportation of the general public. People, adults, young adults, mums with their children in prams. They were designed with tip-up seats to make the room needed long before they were converted to carry disabled people. The whole structure of the cab is designed to provide the driver with protection from passengers and the rear section to provide space for the passenger's needs. Because other areas use saloon vehicles as taxis, the law has to be versatile, which is why the driver of a purpose built vehicle is exempt from certain rules which apply to saloon hackneys.................................The professional driver drives a purpose built hackney and the rest are just toy town :D ,

When was the last time you heard of a kid in a buggy being hurt.??

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:24 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:10 pm 
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Explain please as I read it differently - as mentioned I am quite prepared to be wrong.....I just want it to be right.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/40A

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:18 pm 
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MR T wrote:
grandad wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:


Yes - but! we are also having to take into consideration the law/legal aspects, I guess that this is not just down to the L.A's. You can bet that in the event of an accident, the Insurance companies will be looking at U.K law to avoid paying out.

So why not do& the simple thing and refuse to carry a buggy with a kid in it. That way you will know that you are ok. To me this is just common sense. Why would you want to take the risk?


1. I meant to say 'partition' not petition.
2. FX4, TX1 2 & 4 are purpose built taxis for the transportation of the general public. People, adults, young adults, mums with their children in prams. They were designed with tip-up seats to make the room needed long before they were converted to carry disabled people. The whole structure of the cab is designed to provide the driver with protection from passengers and the rear section to provide space for the passenger's needs. Because other areas use saloon vehicles as taxis, the law has to be versatile, which is why the driver of a purpose built vehicle is exempt from certain rules which apply to saloon hackneys.................................The professional driver drives a purpose built hackney and the rest are just toy town :D ,



An E7 is based on a bread van scudo int it?

a pushchair

let me see

a chair you push

how is that a safe baby seat?

the other thing is, youve got a 6 passenger vehicle 6 get in with a pushchair holding a baby and you just KNOW its gonna kick off


BTW, the law is anything BUT "flexible" to suit your idea of it

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:59 pm 
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Yes - but! we are also having to take into consideration the law/legal aspects, I guess that this is not just down to the L.A's. You can bet that in the event of an accident, the Insurance companies will be looking at U.K law to avoid paying out.[/quote]
So why not do& the simple thing and refuse to carry a buggy with a kid in it. That way you will know that you are ok. To me this is just common sense. Why would you want to take the risk?[/quote]

1. I meant to say 'partition' not petition.
2. FX4, TX1 2 & 4 are purpose built taxis for the transportation of the general public. People, adults, young adults, mums with their children in prams. They were designed with tip-up seats to make the room needed long before they were converted to carry disabled people. The whole structure of the cab is designed to provide the driver with protection from passengers and the rear section to provide space for the passenger's needs. Because other areas use saloon vehicles as taxis, the law has to be versatile, which is why the driver of a purpose built vehicle is exempt from certain rules which apply to saloon hackneys.................................The professional driver drives a purpose built hackney and the rest are just toy town :D ,[/quote]


An E7 is based on a bread van scudo int it?

a pushchair

let me see

a chair you push

how is that a safe baby seat?

the other thing is, youve got a 6 passenger vehicle 6 get in with a pushchair holding a baby and you just KNOW its gonna kick off


BTW, the law is anything BUT "flexible" to suit your idea of it[/quote]





Don't be foolish..


flexible

53 Drivers' licences for hackney carriages and private hire vehicles
(1)
(a) Every licence granted by a district council under the provisions of this
Part of this Act to any person to drive a private hire vehicle shall
remain in force for three years from the date of such licence or for such
lesser period as the district council may specify in such licence

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So your saying that because a TX2/4, etc is a purpose built taxi its ok to carry a child in a puschair?

I think thats a flawed statement

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:23 pm 
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MR T wrote:
flexible

53 Drivers' licences for hackney carriages and private hire vehicles
(1)
(a) Every licence granted by a district council under the provisions of this
Part of this Act to any person to drive a private hire vehicle shall
remain in force for three years from the date of such licence or for such
lesser period as the district council may specify in such licence


WTF?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:58 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
MR T wrote:
flexible

53 Drivers' licences for hackney carriages and private hire vehicles
(1)
(a) Every licence granted by a district council under the provisions of this
Part of this Act to any person to drive a private hire vehicle shall
remain in force for three years from the date of such licence or for such
lesser period as the district council may specify in such licence


WTF?

it is the new wording in the deregulation act.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:02 pm 
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Taxis have an exemption from two of the new provisions regarding children in the rear of
vehicles that were introduced in September 2006. These are:
• requiring children between 3 and 11 years of age but less than 135 cms in height to
be secured with a child restraint appropriate for their height and weight in the rear of
motor vehicles provided there is an adult belt in place to secure the child restraint;
and
• prohibiting children under 3 being carried in the rear of a motor vehicle altogether
unless they are in an appropriate child restraint.
In general, taxis and PHVs without a partition are basically treated in the same way as
ordinary cars. The driver of the vehicle is responsible for ensuring that children under 14 are
wearing seat belts: it is an offence for someone to drive a car with a child under 14 in the
front of a car and not wearing a seatbelt and with a child under 14 in the rear who is not
wearing a seatbelt if it is fitted. A child sitting in the rear where there are no seat belts fitted
when there is an unoccupied seat in the front with a seatbelt must move to the front. For
children aged 14 and over, responsibility for compliance rests with the passenger not the
driver.
Where taxis or PHVs have a partition (e.g. London’s hackney carriages), they are exempt
from the requirement to ensure that children under 14 in the rear of such a taxi are wearing a
seat belt. Children over 14 would appear to be covered by the legislation and should wear a
seatbelt but it is their responsibility, not the driver's.


Motor vehicles: seat belts and child restraints
Standard Note: SN/BT/43
Last updated: 1 December 2010
Author: Louise Butcher
Section Business and Transport

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:06 pm 
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Section 53 TPCA
a) If the driver of a HC refuses to carry the number of passengers shown on the licence
plate or less s(he) will be guilty of an offence.
b) The driver of a HC who refuses without reasonable cause to drive a passenger to a
particular place or refuses to carry a passenger will be prosecuted.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:07 pm 
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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
MR T wrote:
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53 Drivers' licences for hackney carriages and private hire vehicles
(1)
(a) Every licence granted by a district council under the provisions of this
Part of this Act to any person to drive a private hire vehicle shall
remain in force for three years from the date of such licence or for such
lesser period as the district council may specify in such licence


WTF?

it is the new wording in the deregulation act.

No 1976 Act

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Ok, but thats the NUMBER, it doesnt insist on safety compliance for childrens seating and the driver has a duty of care towards all passengers

a puschair/buggy is NOT a childs seat, a child seat not must use ISO fixings not wobble around loose in the back of a taxi

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:26 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Ok, but thats the NUMBER, it doesnt insist on safety compliance for childrens seating and the driver has a duty of care towards all passengers

a puschair/buggy is NOT a childs seat, a child seat not must use ISO fixings not wobble around loose in the back of a taxi

Do you have running water?? All cab's (Not saloons) in Merseyside carry 100s of buggys every day.and have done for the last 40 years.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:36 pm 
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MR T wrote:
Do you have running water?? All cab's (Not saloons) in Merseyside carry 100s every day.and have done for the last 40 years.
We find taps are more convenient. Must cost a fortune having water delivered by taxi :shock:

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