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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:47 pm 
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SUSSEX....Ask the tax man about GOODWILL ALLOWANCE when somebody sells a plate,, oops sorry I forgot you do not pay tax....mrT.. :roll:


In Royden the judge referred to the use of the term goodwill by the Inland Revenue, but then went on to say:

However, unlike the normal case of "goodwill" as a business asset, this 'premium' does not arise out of the fact that Mr Royden has built up a reputation or has an established clientele, as might be the case of a business such as a restaurant. The 'premium' arises simply because of the restriction on the number of hackney carriages authorised to ply for hire in the Wirral area. In other words, it is simply the reflection of the value of the local monopoly enjoyed by the existing hackney carriage proprietors and drivers. Presumably, the transferee's willingness to pay such a premium results from his estimation of the future profits he hopes to be able to make from the business thus protected.

Thus while the IR may use the term, it's just a description and has no real basis in relation to commercial realities, the IR just use it for capital gains tax purposes, its description is meaningless.

It's amazing that people like T. seem to think they know so much about business, but what they are clearly talking about is more of a cartel than a proper business, and also perhaps explains why the don't know the proper meaing of goodwill.

A more accurate term is 'excess profits'. :D



"Excess profits" and taxi trade, never seen those put together before, how many multi millionaire taxi drivers are there?


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TDO wrote:
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Existing jockies are either content being a jockey, don't want the hassel of running their own cab, or lack the finacial viability to buy their own plate. Free plates will attract freeloaders, people lacking any real commitment to the job, put in the minimum and take out the maximum. They will undercut, bend the rules, minimum maintenance etc,etc.
There will be plenty of takers especially in the short term, look at bus dereg, do you think that has worked.


So why do people think the London black cab trade is so good, or is that what you are describing?


Do they hand out plates willy nilly, no the have quantity control by "the knowledge"


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Sussex wrote:
Rather than even try an attempt of deciphering that post, I will say that I agree with half of it i.e. the bits I wrote.

And I disagree with the other half i.e. the bits T the second wrote. [-(


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streetcar wrote:
No wonder jockeys lack finacial viability, when there carring some greedy lazy prat on there backs . Jockeys they should be called horses . There are free loaders in the taxi business . Its not the driver . There are plenty of takers , in the taxi business . Its not the driver . There are the greedy fleet owners, who cheat , put the minimum in take out the maximum . even think there better than ever one else . Lots dont even drive . Who are you . call your self a driver i dont think so Streetcar.


Do you feel the same about all business owners ? Do you think they invest for fun ? With your thinking we would never have left our caves, Yes I drive, yes I own more than one taxi, I work longer hours than any Jockey and make more money, what a bad person I must be.


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Money is the lubrication of business, dont shoo it away by making the taxi trade a poor investment.


Take a look around you at the real business world T., and you'll see that you don't need a closed market to invest.


Would anyone invest in the taxi trade after reading this forum ? Half the posters are jumping for joy because millions have been wiped off the value of hackney plates, half could not run a bath let alone a business and the other half dont know Sh*t about maths.


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MR T wrote:
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SUSSEX....Ask the tax man about GOODWILL ALLOWANCE when somebody sells a plate,, oops sorry I forgot you do not pay tax....mrT.. :roll:


In Royden the judge referred to the use of the term goodwill by the Inland Revenue, but then went on to say:

However, unlike the normal case of "goodwill" as a business asset, this 'premium' does not arise out of the fact that Mr Royden has built up a reputation or has an established clientele, as might be the case of a business such as a restaurant. The 'premium' arises simply because of the restriction on the number of hackney carriages authorised to ply for hire in the Wirral area. In other words, it is simply the reflection of the value of the local monopoly enjoyed by the existing hackney carriage proprietors and drivers. Presumably, the transferee's willingness to pay such a premium results from his estimation of the future profits he hopes to be able to make from the business thus protected.

Thus while the IR may use the term, it's just a description and has no real basis in relation to commercial realities, the IR just use it for capital gains tax purposes, its description is meaningless.

It's amazing that people like T. seem to think they know so much about business, but what they are clearly talking about is more of a cartel than a proper business, and also perhaps explains why the don't know the proper meaing of goodwill.

A more accurate term is 'excess profits'. :D



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I email this to my acountant, who is a senior partner, you know (fully qualified), his reply was, Tell this dope to stick to driving taxis he's talking through his ar*e......mrT.. eusasmiles.zip


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make that two days..mrT.. :wink:


Here's a tough one for you.
What worries taxis drivers the most when they are waiting on the rank ?


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Answer: The car behind will get a better job than them !


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T. wrote:
Do you feel the same about all business owners ? Do you think they invest for fun ?


The only difference between you and the owners in 70% of authorities that are unrestricted is that they don't or didn't have to empty their bank account to spend thousands on something that they will never own and which could instantly lose its value at the drop of a hat.

I would say thats a very precarious business model indeed, especially when in all probability this time next year every authority in England and Wales might be de-restricted.

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T . Here we go , got a few Taxis and you think your Richard Branson . Did you think 0f the concept of, giving people a lift in a taxi all on your own ?. There are taxi owners, who i have got a lot of respect and time for , who have struggled for years, makeing money in areas where Richard Branson would go bust . But there are others lots of others who have got plates for nothing , sometimes from daddy . some times by some other means . That could not run there noses . The world does not need these parasites . London , Birmingham, etc have not got them You are not needed . Go and get a business in the real world , see how clever you are then . streetcar .


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MR T wrote:
I email this to my acountant, who is a senior partner, you know (fully qualified), his reply was, Tell this dope to stick to driving taxis he's talking through his ar*e......mrT

Was he the same accountant that told Mr Royden all about plate values? :-k

Or did you tell Mr Royden the your mate the senior partner said everything would be alright?

Oh and how much of the £30,000 out-standing has been paid? :shock:

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There will be plenty of takers especially in the short term, look at bus dereg, do you think that has worked .
Of course dereg of the bus industry has worked . the local council no longer has to bung millions in to bus companies . paying for some idle prat to work four hours a day , Thats when the driver was not off sick . I know i was one off those idle prats . streetcar.


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