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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:00 pm 
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rent for office...electric..heating...equipment..computers....new software..stationery..administration clerks wages..department manager wages....or proportion of.. and more.. :D


So it costs £70 to print off and laminate 1 A 4 sheet of a P H Ops licence?

a fking Banksy would be cheaper

If you have 100 drivers yes......if you have 3000 drivers no...

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:03 pm 
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So if they issue a 1 year badge they can charge for one years worth of administration, but if they issue a 3 year badge can they charge for 3 years worth of admin ?


No, theres only 1 session of admin either way

to recover from licenced operators the full costs of running and enforcing the licensing scheme including the costs of enforcement

for 3 years..

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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So if they issue a 1 year badge they can charge for one years worth of administration, but if they issue a 3 year badge can they charge for 3 years worth of admin ?


No, theres only 1 session of admin either way

to recover from licenced operators the full costs of running and enforcing the licensing scheme including the costs of enforcement

for 3 years..


what costs are likely after issuing a badge for 3 years as against issuing 1 every year?

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:50 pm 
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what costs are likely after issuing a badge for 3 years as against issuing 1 every year?

rent for office...electric..heating...equipment..computers....new software..stationery..administration clerks wages..department manager wages....or proportion of.. and more. year 1.. year 2..year 3. and the person that keeps answering the phone to you.....and the public when they make a complaint..

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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what costs are likely after issuing a badge for 3 years as against issuing 1 every year?

rent for office...electric..heating...equipment..computers....new software..stationery..administration clerks wages..department manager wages....or proportion of.. and more. year 1.. year 2..year 3. and the person that keeps answering the phone to you.....and the public when they make a complaint..


a plate for a car is for 1 year.....or 4 months on older cars, the office has to be open for that, and ops licences, so the 3 badge doesnt need its office open does it

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:20 pm 
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what costs are likely after issuing a badge for 3 years as against issuing 1 every year?

rent for office...electric..heating...equipment..computers....new software..stationery..administration clerks wages..department manager wages....or proportion of.. and more. year 1.. year 2..year 3. and the person that keeps answering the phone to you.....and the public when they make a complaint..


a plate for a car is for 1 year.....or 4 months on older cars, the office has to be open for that, and ops licences, so the 3 badge doesnt need its office open does it

All fees go into one pot....

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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All fees go into one pot....


But the IN side of the pot cannot exceed the OUT side of the pot.... so what they dont spend on year 2 and 3 of a 3 year badge cant cost the pot

and if i have a 1 year badge then dont renew the pot cant lose - the rents annual not per badge

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:01 am 
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All fees go into one pot....


But the IN side of the pot cannot exceed the OUT side of the pot.... so what they dont spend on year 2 and 3 of a 3 year badge cant cost the pot

and if i have a 1 year badge then dont renew the pot cant lose - the rents annual not per badge


It's a magic pot..It changes shape each year..

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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So if there was just 1 car and 1 driver in my LA, they would be paying £40,000 for council fees (suing your calculations) to cover wages, rent, reates, heating, etc, etc, etc?

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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So if there was just 1 car and 1 driver in my LA, they would be paying £40,000 for council fees (suing your calculations) to cover wages, rent, reates, heating, etc, etc, etc?

Your not very good...are you ...how do you come to the figure of 40,000...

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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So if there was just 1 car and 1 driver in my LA, they would be paying £40,000 for council fees (suing your calculations) to cover wages, rent, reates, heating, etc, etc, etc?

Your not very good...are you ...how do you come to the figure of 40,000...



£20K salary staff
£10K office rent
£5K rates
Electric, phones, insurances, computers, printers,etc,etc

Dont dodge your own calculations!

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what costs are likely after issuing a badge for 3 years as against issuing 1 every year?

rent for office...electric..heating...equipment..computers....new software..stationery..administration clerks wages..department manager wages....or proportion of.. and more. year 1.. year 2..year 3. and the person that keeps answering the phone to you.....and the public when they make a complaint..

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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You Mr T decided all the costs must be covered regardless of who had what badges and plates, so if the LA had but 1 car licensed - by your own calculations - that car, and that car alone, must cover all the costs

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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wannabeeahack wrote:
You Mr T decided all the costs must be covered regardless of who had what badges and plates, so if the LA had but 1 car licensed - by your own calculations - that car, and that car alone, must cover all the costs
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That's the stance my Council take.

Thy bumped up the cost by 3-4% percent every year and were challenged to produce the costs.
Everything that could be found was thrown into the mix, adding to the above list Councillors salary and expenses. Staff costs were apportioned as necessary - they don't do time sheets- and lo we reached the magic figure.

They refuse to do the excercise any more than 3 yr intervals and meantime continued add 3-4 % year on year.

Drivers badge now £235 per year, plate now £525 for 3yrs. Base license £743 for 3yrs.
Window cleaner going through the same process with the same staff £117 pa


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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:15 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
You Mr T decided all the costs must be covered regardless of who had what badges and plates, so if the LA had but 1 car licensed - by your own calculations - that car, and that car alone, must cover all the costs

You seem to have missed the "proportion of" bit.

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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wannabeeahack wrote:
You Mr T decided all the costs must be covered regardless of who had what badges and plates, so if the LA had but 1 car licensed - by your own calculations - that car, and that car alone, must cover all the costs

In Hemmings it states
42. Both the claimants and the Council point to what they say are the unfortunate consequences of the other’s approach being adopted. Take a part of the country in which there are no licensees of sex establishments. The local authority would still have to incur the cost of investigating and prosecuting those who operated sex establishments without a licence if it wanted its area to be free of unlicensed sex establishments. The cost of that would have to come out of its general fund. The claimants say that it would be very odd if the effect of someone successfully applying for a licence for a sex establishment would be that the local authority would no longer have to use its general fund to get rid of unlicensed sex establishments, and that the lone licensee found himself saddled with all the costs of enforcement.


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