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Cabhappy
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:42 pm 
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However Scottish best practice guide states that

"As enforcement activity is part of the licensing regime, it is recoverable through fees charged for licenses. It is therefore within the interests of the trade for them to be involved in any information gathering on enforcement needs in their area."

and Council view their duty to comply with the CG (S) Act and recover all costs of Licencing from operators and not burden the taxpayer.
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grandad
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:18 pm 
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Cabhappy wrote:

Drivers badge now £235 per year, plate now £525 for 3yrs. Base license £743 for 3yrs.
Window cleaner going through the same process with the same staff £117 pa

A 3 yr plate?

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wannabeeahack
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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mancityfan wrote:
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You Mr T decided all the costs must be covered regardless of who had what badges and plates, so if the LA had but 1 car licensed - by your own calculations - that car, and that car alone, must cover all the costs

In Hemmings it states
42. Both the claimants and the Council point to what they say are the unfortunate consequences of the other’s approach being adopted. Take a part of the country in which there are no licensees of sex establishments. The local authority would still have to incur the cost of investigating and prosecuting those who operated sex establishments without a licence if it wanted its area to be free of unlicensed sex establishments. The cost of that would have to come out of its general fund. The claimants say that it would be very odd if the effect of someone successfully applying for a licence for a sex establishment would be that the local authority would no longer have to use its general fund to get rid of unlicensed sex establishments, and that the lone licensee found himself saddled with all the costs of enforcement.



Who mentioned knocking shops, Im a cabbie...

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wannabeeahack
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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Going the other way

If badge and plate numbers doubled, fees would be halved?

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Cabhappy
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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or double the work so additional staff etc lol it all works out at the same cost.


Grandad ,

Yes our council charge for renewing the licence plate on each vehicle every three years! Doesn't yours?
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x-ray
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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I'v never heard of a three year plate either.
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wannabeeahack
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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Cabhappy wrote:
or double the work so additional staff etc lol it all works out at the same cost.


Grandad ,

Yes our council charge for renewing the licence plate on each vehicle every three years! Doesn't yours?


You mean you get a new plate every 3 years, but are you licensed 1 year at a time?

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grandad
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Cabhappy wrote:
or double the work so additional staff etc lol it all works out at the same cost.


Grandad ,

Yes our council charge for renewing the licence plate on each vehicle every three years! Doesn't yours?

Ours is every year. I know some areas like Rutland issue just the one plate when the vehicle is licenses and that plate stays on the vehicle until it is no longer licensed but the vehicle license only lasts for 1 year. As Wannabee asks, Does your vehicle license run for 1 year or 3 years?

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 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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If all the fee issue was correct adjacent councils wouldnt have varying fees for similar sized fleets

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MR T
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wannabeeahack wrote:
If all the fee issue was correct adjacent councils wouldnt have varying fees for similar sized fleets

It's called greed..

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MR T wrote:
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If all the fee issue was correct adjacent councils wouldnt have varying fees for similar sized fleets

It's called greed..


Finally we get somewhere

so 1 can say it costs £50, next door says £100 but both only cover costs?

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MR T
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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If all the fee issue was correct adjacent councils wouldnt have varying fees for similar sized fleets

It's called greed..


Finally we get somewhere

so 1 can say it costs £50, next door says £100 but both only cover costs?

Claim to..yes..I was only explaining the system...not saying it was right..

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Cabhappy
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Our plate lasts 3 yrs, when we pay for the renewal we get issued with new plates which state the expiry date three years later.

When challenged about our fees being so much higher than LAs of similar size and similar fleets. The answer is that all of the others are failing to cover all their costs.
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captain cab
 Post subject: Re: 3 year badges
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Cabhappy wrote:
Our plate lasts 3 yrs, when we pay for the renewal we get issued with new plates which state the expiry date three years later.

When challenged about our fees being so much higher than LAs of similar size and similar fleets. The answer is that all of the others are failing to cover all their costs.


did they prove this? and a 3 year plate? wow

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cabbyman
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Can someone kindly clarify the legal situation for me please?

As I understand it, following the logical progression of all the precedent posted above, the LA may charge sufficient to cover the costs of enforcement.

However, is that on a historical cost basis or as a pre-estimate of what may happen in the future?

If a pre-estimate, what are the guidelines for how such a pre-estimate may be calculated?
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