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To me the tariff is the root cause, at this moment it is being proposed and posted in the newspaper for a massive :roll: 30p increase on the start
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Are you still dereged..

Note to self, read things twice. At first glance i thought were asking him if he still deranged. :oops:

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To me the tariff is the root cause, at this moment it is being proposed and posted in the newspaper for a massive :roll: 30p increase on the start
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How would you do it..new tariff days and nights and W/time


I never claimed that I had the answer.

The LA's demand that drivers do the job properly and yet they do not have any formal training courses of their own to show what they want/what is expected of the drivers. Before anyone jumps on me and says that it is not rocket science - I will agree. Their cop out is that "You know the rules"! But do they (the drivers)? Back in the days of Unions and companies who wanted to discipline the man on the shop floor, the company had to demonstrate that they had given proper and adequate training to that person, otherwise the company case fell flat on its ar$e. Today we have people rolling over and taking all kinds of flack - without throwing it back at them. To my way of thinking it is a problem created by the LA's who treat the trade with contempt, and then throw their toys out of the pram when it all goes wrong in turn blaming everyone else

Having said that it should be formulated so that drivers are not coerced into taking on expensive debt i.e vehicles, and then having the rug pulled beneath them with deregulation and static tariffs. The simplicity of it all is at the end of the day - if you create situations whereby drivers cannot earn to stay afloat, then you will also create through deceit loose cannons who do not abide by the rules.

To encapsulate: Part of the answer would be proper training through the Council/LA paid for by the entrants, and a realistic tariff set by a tested formula as it varies massively all around the country. Why does it vary so much apart from London and one or two other places? why do some councils automatically impose a rise in the tariff, and many do not? when you have the answer to those questions then perhaps I can answer your questions in full.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:31 pm 
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1. I do not “Slate” my own Trade, I do what I can to improve it.

2. You are right, every trade gets complaints, but with the Taxi Trade the way to make a complaint is with the Local Authority. A complaint in the 5 Star Hotel is resolved by the Manager. Police complaints can go via the Police, the Police Commissioner or the IPCC.

3. I am sure that Cardiff is as good as anywhere, but as you rightly say it is likely to be as bad. If enforcement is not being done, you need to kick the “Lazy Sods” into action. If you think banding together to protect the guilty is a good way to raise the status of the Trade, your wrong, but you should band together to protect the innocent. In Plymouth the Association does not defend the indefensible.

4. Anyone with an unregulated business can charge what they like, it is usual for Hotels to raise prices at times of peak demand. That is the nature of supply and demand. If there is a glut of Strawbwerries, Strawberries are cheap, unless you sell them at Wimbledon, you would not believe the price of Strawberries there. In the Hackney Trade prices are regulated or if you prefer fixed by the Local Authority, if you want to alter the Tariff you apply to do so. You argue your case and if you do not get what you want you go through the process again. It is difficult in areas with too many Taxis but it is achievable.

5. If you are getting the 5hitty end of the stick in the local press, what reply in the press are you making? Taking a stance on being against “Cherry Picking” and supporting the provision of “Information to Authorities” where possible on the problem of the sex attacks will help. Your potential customers want to know that the majority of the Taxi Drivers in Cardiff are on their side, silence from the Trade will maybe make them think the Trade are protecting the Guilty.

6. It matters not a jot what your Tariff says, if you are asked to go outside your Licensing District you may negotiate the fare. If you do not like the low offer made by the intending passenger, don’t go, simple.

7. If you are a Taxi Driver it is going to include dealing with the Riffraff and the intoxicated, it comes with the job.


Finally let me return to the second part of the first sentence in this post, "I do what I can to improve it".


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That is naive to say the least. If your hands are tied and the LA set the tariff along with a PH company, then you can in effect do sod all.

I do not fall into bed with those who choose to make my life hard and to then say....okay I will KowTow to your rules.

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2. You are right, every trade gets complaints, but with the Taxi Trade the way to make a complaint is with the Local Authority. A complaint in the 5 Star Hotel is resolved by the Manager. Police complaints can go via the Police, the Police Commissioner or the IPCC.


I feel that you might have missed the point I was making! The point was that we are not alone with complaints, in reality ours pale into very small figures when you take into account the amount of journeys throughout the year and we are all aware as to how our complaints might be resolved. The point with both of the above is; I. Is blatant extortion (hidden under the capitalistic mantra of supply and demand) so I guess that it makes it alright, so hardly a titter on that as the press look after big business. 2. Is on the rise despite falling numbers of police officers, again almost a passing comment in the papers 3. Taxi drivers (apparently) get out of line..........and set the world on fire via the press and internet!!!!

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3. I am sure that Cardiff is as good as anywhere, but as you rightly say it is likely to be as bad. If enforcement is not being done, you need to kick the “Lazy Sods” into action. If you think banding together to protect the guilty is a good way to raise the status of the Trade, your wrong, but you should band together to protect the innocent. In Plymouth the Association does not defend the indefensible.


You say "kick the lazy sods into action". It is the lazy sods who are now kicking off, blaming everyone else because no doubt someone else further up the line has had his/her feathers ruffled. I do not band together protecting the bad, but neither am I going to take a Tar all with the same brush" scenario or do their job for them. We as drivers have gone to our LA over the years with a number of complaints.......they generally get passed around and then into the bin.

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4. Anyone with an unregulated business can charge what they like, it is usual for Hotels to raise prices at times of peak demand. That is the nature of supply and demand. If there is a glut of Strawbwerries, Strawberries are cheap, unless you sell them at Wimbledon, you would not believe the price of Strawberries there. In the Hackney Trade prices are regulated or if you prefer fixed by the Local Authority, if you want to alter the Tariff you apply to do so. You argue your case and if you do not get what you want you go through the process again. It is difficult in areas with too many Taxis but it is achievable.


Hidden underneath all of that I feel is probably part of the problem; drivers are probably quoting high prices - people do not want to pay them, and are then claiming they cannot get home i.e we were refused (what we wanted to pay).


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5. If you are getting the 5hitty end of the stick in the local press, what reply in the press are you making? Taking a stance on being against “Cherry Picking” and supporting the provision of “Information to Authorities” where possible on the problem of the sex attacks will help. Your potential customers want to know that the majority of the Taxi Drivers in Cardiff are on their side, silence from the Trade will maybe make them think the Trade are protecting the Guilty.


You mention the press - the Great British Press, democracy ha! Our local rag is firmly in the corner of business, the council etc etc, make no mistake you/I can only send into the letters page something like 200 words and then they edit you/I. On the other hand if you have a business or council background you may very well get half a page, as such I do not trust our local paper.

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6. It matters not a jot what your Tariff says, if you are asked to go outside your Licensing District you may negotiate the fare. If you do not like the low offer made by the intending passenger, don’t go, simple.


That is what is happening, as it does in other areas. Unfortunately there have been sex attacks and others are using it to say they cannot get home. If you read the internet postings most are full of holes.

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7. If you are a Taxi Driver it is going to include dealing with the Riffraff and the intoxicated, it comes with the job.


Fully aware of the above, I just fail to see the significance.

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Finally let me return to the second part of the first sentence in this post, "I do what I can to improve it"


Finally let me say this; It is not within my remit to improve the trade, I can only as one, do my best, and on that I do. However, I would also say for any man/woman to do a job properly - then give me the tools to do the job properly. If you keep on putting obstacles in the way.....what is going to happen?

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THERES YOUR ANSWER AND WASNT HARD TO FIND WAS IT .........................BLAMING THE LA IS JUST ACCEPTING YOU CANNOT INFLUENCE CONTROL THEM ...........................WHICH OF COURSE IS VERY TRUE IF YER GROVELLORS :badgrin: :badgrin:

GROVELLERS LICKSPITTLE'S N0RMALY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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To me the tariff is the root cause, at this moment it is being proposed and posted in the newspaper for a massive :roll: 30p increase on the start
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How would you do it..new tariff days and nights and W/time


I never claimed that I had the answer.

The LA's demand that drivers do the job properly and yet they do not have any formal training courses of their own to show what they want/what is expected of the drivers. Before anyone jumps on me and says that it is not rocket science - I will agree. Their cop out is that "You know the rules"! But do they (the drivers)? Back in the days of Unions and companies who wanted to discipline the man on the shop floor, the company had to demonstrate that they had given proper and adequate training to that person, otherwise the company case fell flat on its ar$e. Today we have people rolling over and taking all kinds of flack - without throwing it back at them. To my way of thinking it is a problem created by the LA's who treat the trade with contempt, and then throw their toys out of the pram when it all goes wrong in turn blaming everyone else

Having said that it should be formulated so that drivers are not coerced into taking on expensive debt i.e vehicles, and then having the rug pulled beneath them with deregulation and static tariffs. The simplicity of it all is at the end of the day - if you create situations whereby drivers cannot earn to stay afloat, then you will also create through deceit loose cannons who do not abide by the rules.

To encapsulate: Part of the answer would be proper training through the Council/LA paid for by the entrants, and a realistic tariff set by a tested formula as it varies massively all around the country. Why does it vary so much apart from London and one or two other places? why do some councils automatically impose a rise in the tariff, and many do not? when you have the answer to those questions then perhaps I can answer your questions in full.

First...take your head off ..turn it around...then put it back on.........................I was asking you, how you would formulate your structure.........how you would set it up on meter.......what your 1st drop would be and so on... :D

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:54 pm 
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Cabby John 1,

"I do what I can to improve it."
I wrote the last three tariffs in Plymouth. Strangely I did not want any of them, but the alternates I produced which I thought better were rejected by the Trade so the Tariff they preferred was put to the Council and approved. This takes work to get it through, but we have consistently managed to achieve the aim with some very minor tweaks by the Authority.

If a passenger wishes to complain, who do you suggest they complain to? The Driver? It has to be to the Local Authority or perhaps if urgent, the Police.

I understand your angst at the status quo, so get off your behind and change the status quo.

Write a letter to the press, insist on "No Editing" and if you keep it short and pertinent they are very likely to publish it, long and rambling will be edited or ignored.

The "Lazy Sods" to which I referred were your LA Enforcement, not the Trade, I took my lead from your earlier point.

In Plymouth we have lists of fares to places outside the City, these are produced and copied, most Drivers have one, we in effect, all charge the same. If the passenger does not want to pay, they become a bus passenger.

It very much is "in your remit" to improve the trade, either actively on the Committee of an Association or Union, or passively by fully supporting those that do get off their Ar5e and take the active part.

"Do what you can to improve it."

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First...take your head off ..turn it around...then put it back on.........................I was asking you, how you would formulate your structure.........how you would set it up on meter.......what your 1st drop would be and so on... :D



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I never claimed that I had the answer.


To my mind it is strikingly obvious that the tariff needs to be upgraded to become attractive, in what form I do not know. As you can see from Chris the fish post, it is easy to go down that route, write out tariffs (3), to be virtually p!zzing into the wind. I am not wasting my time on that one - but as mentioned, it is the root cause and needs looking at by those who can actually do the change.

As a matter of interest I will be writing in and objecting to the derisory tariff proposal, citing a blatant business conflict of interest in favour of Dragon taxis. I will also mention their obligation to keep the tariff at a sensible level, re safety (hours), renewal of cars/cabs, going on to say that imo the present situation is basically caused by them suppressing the tariff.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:03 pm 
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"I do what I can to improve it."
I wrote the last three tariffs in Plymouth. Strangely I did not want any of them, but the alternates I produced which I thought better were rejected by the Trade so the Tariff they preferred was put to the Council and approved. This takes work to get it through, but we have consistently managed to achieve the aim with some very minor tweaks by the Authority.

If a passenger wishes to complain, who do you suggest they complain to? The Driver? It has to be to the Local Authority or perhaps if urgent, the Police.

I understand your angst at the status quo, so get off your behind and change the status quo.

Write a letter to the press, insist on "No Editing" and if you keep it short and pertinent they are very likely to publish it, long and rambling will be edited or ignored.

The "Lazy Sods" to which I referred were your LA Enforcement, not the Trade, I took my lead from your earlier point.

In Plymouth we have lists of fares to places outside the City, these are produced and copied, most Drivers have one, we in effect, all charge the same. If the passenger does not want to pay, they become a bus passenger.

It very much is "in your remit" to improve the trade, either actively on the Committee of an Association or Union, or passively by fully supporting those that do get off their Ar5e and take the active part.

"Do what you can to improve it."



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"I do what I can to improve it."
I wrote the last three tariffs in Plymouth. Strangely I did not want any of them, but the alternates I produced which I thought better were rejected by the Trade so the Tariff they preferred was put to the Council and approved. This takes work to get it through, but we have consistently managed to achieve the aim with some very minor tweaks by the Authority.


You wrote three tariffs that were rejected (okay you had a go)....and then claimed that you achieved your aim! That sounds awfully typical of the political answers that we get day in day out. The bottom line being is that you got nowhere near what you wanted - "Minor tweaks" do not really say a lot, to me it sounds as if they got their way.

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If a passenger wishes to complain, who do you suggest they complain to? The Driver? It has to be to the Local Authority or perhaps if urgent, the Police.


Chris we all know what to do if we wish to complain, whether it be a Supermarket,Hotel,Restaurant, Pub etc etc; The point being nobody goes on the internet outside of their web site to ............Incite others to complain without proper investigation, the action incites drunks + sh!t loads of others to now think that they can just walk up to a cab and to give us grief. At this very moment our Cardiff Council are running on one of their web pages " Put up your hands to stop HATE during crime awareness week" going on to say that it comes in many forms including work, and you do not have to take it!!! Wtf do they think that they themselves are doing?

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Write a letter to the press, insist on "No Editing" and if you keep it short and pertinent they are very likely to publish it, long and rambling will be edited or ignored.


Perhaps you live in a part of the country that is transparent and democratic. If you/I started any of the above - it just would not be printed. Oh and do not mention the "Press complaints Committee" as an alternative.

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The "Lazy Sods" to which I referred were your LA Enforcement, not the Trade, I took my lead from your earlier point.


I do not know what you were reading......."You say "kick the lazy sods into action". It is the lazy sods who are now kicking off, blaming everyone else because no doubt someone else further up the line has had his/her feathers ruffled".......I was referring to the "Lazy Sods" as being the LA Enforcement.

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In Plymouth we have lists of fares to places outside the City, these are produced and copied, most Drivers have one, we in effect, all charge the same. If the passenger does not want to pay, they become a bus passenger.


Ha ha, "we in effect, all charge the same" try doing that one with probably 80% ethnics as hacks in your ranks - I am an endangered species :wink:

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To clarify.

I wrote the current tariff. I wrote the previous two operational tariffs.

When I write a tariff I present the trade with alternates, they (the trade) select what they want or suggest changes. Once finalised it is put to the LA. The LA may suggest minor changes, or not, then it goes through.

If you face abuse from passengers or potential passengers then take that complaint to the Police or the LA. If you just want a shoulder to cry on, get a shoulder of Lamb from the Butcher.

No need to bring in the PCC, as I said a short pertinent letter will be printed, try it, do not say it won't happen, you have not even written the letter.

We obviously both refer to the same "Lazy Sods", I didn't understand your syntax, you didn't understand mine.

Ranks everywhere are "ethnically diverse", you are not unique in that. I find that all Taxi Drivers play the game when the game and the rules of the game are appreciated.

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Most local papers like nothing more than a complaint about the Council. I know ours do.

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Most local papers like nothing more than a complaint about the Council. I know ours do.

Of course, and it adds to the debate.

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No need to bring in the PCC, as I said a short pertinent letter will be printed, try it, do not say it won't happen, you have not even written the letter.


I have written letters (got edited) in the past - trust me, it will not happen. They print what they want to print.

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If you face abuse from passengers or potential passengers then take that complaint to the Police or the LA. If you just want a shoulder to cry on, get a shoulder of Lamb from the Butche


Nobody is crying on anyone's shoulder. You are not taking responsibility for virtually agreeing that the LA/Council are right in engineering complaints. Of course there is a proper way, but not yours or theirs that allows harassment/hate crime of innocent drivers.

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Ranks everywhere are "ethnically diverse", you are not unique in that. I find that all Taxi Drivers play the game when the game and the rules of the game are appreciated.


So what rules of the game would you play the game with? Would /do you play the rules game because your tariff is far superior to ours? Would you play by the rules of the game if THEY shifted the rules? I honestly do not feel that having looked at your tariff, and it being NO comparison to ours , that you are looking at the overall big picture.

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I honestly do not feel that having looked at your tariff, and it being NO comparison to ours , that you are looking at the overall big picture.

You are right, yours is so much better than ours. At 2 miles in PHTM you are worse off than us. But with our high Flag Fall and your low one it gives a false picture. I for one would much prefer the extra 28p a mile you get. :roll:

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I honestly do not feel that having looked at your tariff, and it being NO comparison to ours , that you are looking at the overall big picture.

You are right, yours is so much better than ours. At 2 miles in PHTM you are worse off than us. But with our high Flag Fall and your low one it gives a false picture. I for one would much prefer the extra 28p a mile you get. :roll:


Oh really,Umm I work it out (as I work nights) that you get £5.50 for 1800 yards and I get £4.60 for 1862 yards. To further your argument you then say that PHTM are wrong....are you sure that you are not a politician? cos you are not answering straight. Go on give us the weather forecast......that's normal for a political answer :wink:

I see that you are ranked at 175 and us ( and I am not bragging) 230.......I guess PTHM and I, have both go it wrong :roll: #-o

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