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Shock horror, a nonitor isn't a television.....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Well you have been told often enough by ME never involve Courts in industrial disputes they will normally CRAP on you

Mistakes yes huge ones the GMBPDB should have done a deal with them UBER , there was one available perhaps the Branch Sec being a proprietor had an influence ?

So now its dog eat dog and Uber have a Court ruling on their side well done the clots who initiated it

Tactics get into Ubers Drivers and organise them, get the Black Cab and PH to agree demarcation and honor it say good bye to the LPHCA and the proprietors at least in central London and maybe Heathrow, their no fekking loss cheating [edited by admin] scum most of em.

The problem with Uber IT WORKS AND IT WORKS WELL FOR THE PUNTER IN CENTRAL LONDON, and of course its lincensed and legal and coming shortly new regs which will remove many many drivers fron the PH fleet via a stiffer topographical Test and Language requirements, meaning great power for the Drivers and bankruptcy for many proprietors

The message is always the same as mr T said UNITED YOU STAND DIVIDED YOU FALL

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Reading that judgement I wonder if I should laugh or cry.

If the PH operators had their way then we wouldn't be able to use calculators or mileometers in any London PH.

I think the judge was blown away with that utter stupidity.

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IDFIMH

Well PH Operators would like you chained to their whipping wheel machine so you're dependent upon them to earn a living. Why else would they side against Uber

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

So. you think Uber are any better than a PH base ?....Try and work with Uber and you will find out....All a driver is for Uber and it's users is ''cheap labour''...They charge very low rates per mile and take 20% from that...Yes there is ''surge'' pricing but it happens quite rarely....

This issues has gone to appeal so let's see what comes of it there...A mobile phone is not a meter yes but it can be adapted to many things other than a phone including a device to charge fares.
Remember the judge said ''as the definition stands today''..That definition can be changed and Tfl are also on the case re Uber on other fronts so they haven't quite won yet!

Cant understand why UBER were taken to court - the London act makes it clear that it is the vehicle owner - not operator that's responsible for the 'taximeter'


11 Prohibition of taximeters.

(1) No vehicle to which a London PHV licence relates shall be equipped with a taximeter.

(2) If such a vehicle is equipped with a taximeter, the owner of that vehicle is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(3) In this section “taximeter” means a device for calculating the fare to be charged in respect of any journey by reference to the distance travelled or time elapsed since the start of the journey (or a combination of both).

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Also as some nice chap from the North East pointed out to me today - the wording of the 1976 act and the London act differ slightly in respect of meters;

1976 act

“taximeter” means any device for calculating the fare to be charged in respect of any journey in a hackney carriage or private hire vehicle by reference to the distance travelled or time elapsed since the start of the journey, or a combination of both

1998 London PH Act

In this section “taximeter” means a device for calculating the fare to be charged in respect of any journey by reference to the distance travelled or time elapsed since the start of the journey (or a combination of both).

I suggest if the draftsmen had used the 1976 act description - the case would have been won.

"taximeter” means any device

“taximeter” means a device

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Ph not being allowed to use a meter is not unique across the UK, some LAs allow Ph to operate a meter, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Ph use meters in Edinburgh & Glasgow.

What we need to fight for is a regulation that offers the customer a straight forward and easy to understand pricing structure that operates UK wide, tarrif's could differ but the method of which journey's are costed/calculated should be the same U.K wide, there should be no restriction on licence type, all passenger carrying vehicles should only operate with a meter that can be seen easily by the passenger, any add on's/extra's should be fully explained to the punters prior to commencing the journey, out of town work could be charged UK wide at a meter fare plus a third of that to cover the return journey, again this should be told to the passenger prior to the starting of a journey, discounts could still be offered prior to the journey, 10% off metered fare being an example.

Punters do care about cost but I'm sure they care much more about safety and service more.

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

Not sure anyone is saying that, but the judge has said what they are doing is legal.

However if drivers are earning zilch on Uber, then I doubt they will stay.

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IDFIMH

But who is best suited to say what's best for punters?

Maybe punters themselves?

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IDFIMH

The cabbie knows what ticks the punters box, safety, reliability, service, the costing of a cab pre Uber was known in advance so isn't as important as the first three, what we have with uber is a confusing pricing structure, this is what our trade should be jumping on, pricing should be clear and easy at point of sale, where passenger journey's are happening the customer should be able to see the meter ticking and with the level of consistency that a current Taxi Meter does.

I say London should allow PH to use a meter, the knowledge is about picking up random fares from the curbside, it's got nothing to do with having a meter as a privilege gained as a result of passing that knowledge, a meter should though be visible, Uber's isn't.

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

So if Uber had a clearer pricing structure such as those currently used by ph now you would be quite happy to have them in the market? Having a meter ticking over in the vehicle is acceptable too? I tell you what I find extremely difficult to work out is how much my fare is going to be in a hackney before I get in it. I know I'm going 4.5 miles and in a ph I know it's £1.50 per mile plus an extra £1.50 for the first mile so it's easy enough to work out but in a taxi it's in yards ffs how on earth is that transparent for any customer other than those that like a challenge and if the taxi leaves it area the rate changes whereas ph it stays the same

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

PH in Blackpool have meters, had a few comments from passengers (holiday makers) commenting on it, whereas where they are from they do not have them.

I think neighbouring Fylde and Wyre also have meters, although I'm not 100% sure.

No Toots, all passenger carrying vehicles should carry a meter, in cab should show the tarrif's as we do up here, the driver should explain how the meter works and highlight any extra's, most punters know how a meter works, using your per mile is more confusing, £1.50 per mile on a 3.7 mile trip, do you round up (charge more) or round down (charge less), the per mile doesn't take into consideration congestion, cabbies arn't going anywhere by choice, they are asked by the punter to take them to their destination, a 3 mile journey £6 using the per mile could take an excessive amount of time depending on traffic, should we as cabbies just accept the traffic as an on us, No don't think so.

Meters should be clear, visible and easy to understand, Uber tech doesn't meet that criteria, time the trade pushed for a true level playing field as far as the calculation of passenger fares, I doubt regulators could argue differences as being acceptable.

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

Uber tech does exactly that, it calculates the fare as a per mile and time taken which is the same as the the Hackney, PH here has always just charged per mile which is why it works out cheaper for the punter. You are mentioning a rounding down/up what's that about? If it's £3.70 then that's how much it is. Why you started with a 'No Toots' is beyond me because I asked "So if Uber had a clearer pricing structure such as those currently used by ph now you would be quite happy to have them in the market. Having a meter ticking over in the vehicle is acceptable too?".

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!