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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:58 pm 
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Bart wrote:
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coffee is legal though, people don't rob old women/ burgle houses so they can go to starbucks :shock:


Nor do they for ganja[/quote]
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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:25 pm 
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Like I said it's Government bull, they tell it you believe it.

I see it with my own eyes. The idiots start on weed and then the pushers give them a free sample of something stronger. When they are hooked on that they get offered more until they are on heroin. They are called pushers for a reason. Don't patronise me by telling me it is government propaganda when it has torn my own family apart.


They didn't have any the willpower to say "no I don't want any." Cannabis isn't additive as the Government state, with heroin it's all about the money, the pharma companies get money in all ways from the treatment with methadone and diazepam to the heroin it's self.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:26 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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Like I said it's Government bull, they tell it you believe it.

I see it with my own eyes. The idiots start on weed and then the pushers give them a free sample of something stronger. When they are hooked on that they get offered more until they are on heroin. They are called pushers for a reason. Don't patronise me by telling me it is government propaganda when it has torn my own family apart.

You have to live it..to know it..but there are those that think they know it..but have not lived it.....


No they don't, it's called getting a life and stop bumming around depending on the next fix.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
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Like I said it's Government bull, they tell it you believe it.

I see it with my own eyes. The idiots start on weed and then the pushers give them a free sample of something stronger. When they are hooked on that they get offered more until they are on heroin. They are called pushers for a reason. Don't patronise me by telling me it is government propaganda when it has torn my own family apart.


They didn't have any the willpower to say "no I don't want any." Cannabis isn't additive as the Government state, with heroin it's all about the money, the pharma companies get money in all ways from the treatment with methadone and diazepam to the heroin it's self.

Clearly you know f**k all about the reality of drug dependency and the effects that it has on the family of addicts.

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:03 pm 
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ven2112 wrote:
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Cannabis used in the right way can cure many illnesses, before you slate it watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQwwGPiyW9M

Cannabis use can lead to the use and abuse of other stronger drugs such as heroin. People don't just decide to try heroin, the start on cannabis first and work their way up. In my opinion there should be a zero tolerance to all illegal drug supply and use.
Ah the old gateway argument. Whilst it's true that most herion users will have previously used cannibis that is not proof of cause and effect. After all the first drug they used will probably have been caffeine ...... Is coffee tge gateway drug?

coffee is legal though, people don't rob old women/ burgle houses so they can go to starbucks :shock:



The prices Starbucks charge I bet there loads of robberies every week and people must be addicted to it to drink it their coffee is awful :-&

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Clearly you know f**k all about the reality of drug dependency and the effects that it has on the family of addicts.



Yes I do.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Nidge2 wrote:
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Clearly you know f**k all about the reality of drug dependency and the effects that it has on the family of addicts.



Yes I do.

Your comments suggest otherwise.

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:53 pm 
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Never done me any harm in my youth and didn't lead me to use herion either, the point is most of us had the will power to stick, only a minority took the card of the devil.

My curiosity started with cigarettes and alcohol, getting wasted on snake bite (lager&cider) wasn't though as cool as smoking a joint and listening to good music.

Moving on up or into harder drugs is down to the individual, human nature & greed are two aspects of wanting more, addiction control though is built in, most of us can control it and a minority can't.

In the early days of someone within a family using a substance like herion, the reaction of that family can be crucial to the user, my brother used herion at the age of 15, we noticed he turned Yellow, Jondice, Questions where asked and he opened up and admitted using herion 3 times with a needle, our family pulled together and showed him family love, he never used it again but did like many of us enjoy a spliff, we are pretty close and we knew everything that went on, sadly though in 92 he was diagnosed with hiv and passed away in 94, his biggest regret was him trying herion 9 years earlier, i don't believe smoking cannabis leads to harder drugs, I believe hope does, if your living a life with no hope or there is a lack of opportunity, that's when a person is at their most vulnerable.

So let's talk about that era when herion use took off, the early 80s and the creation of mass unemployment by the TORIES, all social ills can be traced to that bitch Thatcher.

I'll leave you with a poem I wrote concerning substance misuse.

BEYOND THE GRAVE

Beyond the grave our message to you
a message that should be clear
our message concerns substance misuse
one that offers no an excuse
for there is no excuse when playing the game
where the dragon's game is simply to tame
make no mistake at first it's great
taking control at a notorious rate.

Nothing to fear all of us thought
under control we took what we got
without concern for our family so dear
we genuinely thought there was nothing to fear
full of regret an full of remorse
never realising the one true cost.

So here it is as we play our cards
from beyond the grave, regretting our loss
how we can learn is how we can help
remembering the day's when we couldn't be telt
our message to you is one to embrace
play your part in the human race.

Learning of mistakes we once did make
you have to listen for heaven's sake
our message to you is one of fear
don't play with the dragon just stay well clear
everything said an all things done
keeping control in the game with the gun.

Make no excuse for substance misuse
It's just a weakness just something loose
open your eyes don't follow the blind
substance misuse it's all in the mind
over to you we wish you well
never going through that life of hell.

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:46 am 
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Never done me any harm in my youth and didn't lead me to use herion either, the point is most of us had the will power to stick, only a minority took the card of the devil.

My curiosity started with cigarettes and alcohol, getting wasted on snake bite (lager&cider) wasn't though as cool as smoking a joint and listening to good music.

Moving on up or into harder drugs is down to the individual, human nature & greed are two aspects of wanting more, addiction control though is built in, most of us can control it and a minority can't.

In the early days of someone within a family using a substance like herion, the reaction of that family can be crucial to the user, my brother used herion at the age of 15, we noticed he turned Yellow, Jondice, Questions where asked and he opened up and admitted using herion 3 times with a needle, our family pulled together and showed him family love, he never used it again but did like many of us enjoy a spliff, we are pretty close and we knew everything that went on, sadly though in 92 he was diagnosed with hiv and passed away in 94, his biggest regret was him trying herion 9 years earlier, i don't believe smoking cannabis leads to harder drugs, I believe hope does, if your living a life with no hope or there is a lack of opportunity, that's when a person is at their most vulnerable.

So let's talk about that era when herion use took off, the early 80s and the creation of mass unemployment by the TORIES, all social ills can be traced to that bitch Thatcher.

I'll leave you with a poem I wrote concerning substance misuse.

BEYOND THE GRAVE

Beyond the grave our message to you
a message that should be clear
our message concerns substance misuse
one that offers no an excuse
for there is no excuse when playing the game
where the dragon's game is simply to tame
make no mistake at first it's great
taking control at a notorious rate.

Nothing to fear all of us thought
under control we took what we got
without concern for our family so dear
we genuinely thought there was nothing to fear
full of regret an full of remorse
never realising the one true cost.

So here it is as we play our cards
from beyond the grave, regretting our loss
how we can learn is how we can help
remembering the day's when we couldn't be telt
our message to you is one to embrace
play your part in the human race.

Learning of mistakes we once did make
you have to listen for heaven's sake
our message to you is one of fear
don't play with the dragon just stay well clear
everything said an all things done
keeping control in the game with the gun.

Make no excuse for substance misuse
It's just a weakness just something loose
open your eyes don't follow the blind
substance misuse it's all in the mind
over to you we wish you well
never going through that life of hell.


Couldn't have said it better myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:09 am 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Never done me any harm in my youth and didn't lead me to use herion either, the point is most of us had the will power to stick, only a minority took the card of the devil.

My curiosity started with cigarettes and alcohol, getting wasted on snake bite (lager&cider) wasn't though as cool as smoking a joint and listening to good music.

Moving on up or into harder drugs is down to the individual, human nature & greed are two aspects of wanting more, addiction control though is built in, most of us can control it and a minority can't.

In the early days of someone within a family using a substance like herion, the reaction of that family can be crucial to the user, my brother used herion at the age of 15, we noticed he turned Yellow, Jondice, Questions where asked and he opened up and admitted using herion 3 times with a needle, our family pulled together and showed him family love, he never used it again but did like many of us enjoy a spliff, we are pretty close and we knew everything that went on, sadly though in 92 he was diagnosed with hiv and passed away in 94, his biggest regret was him trying herion 9 years earlier, i don't believe smoking cannabis leads to harder drugs, I believe hope does, if your living a life with no hope or there is a lack of opportunity, that's when a person is at their most vulnerable.

So let's talk about that era when herion use took off, the early 80s and the creation of mass unemployment by the TORIES, all social ills can be traced to that bitch Thatcher.

I'll leave you with a poem I wrote concerning substance misuse.

BEYOND THE GRAVE

Beyond the grave our message to you
a message that should be clear
our message concerns substance misuse
one that offers no an excuse
for there is no excuse when playing the game
where the dragon's game is simply to tame
make no mistake at first it's great
taking control at a notorious rate.

Nothing to fear all of us thought
under control we took what we got
without concern for our family so dear
we genuinely thought there was nothing to fear
full of regret an full of remorse
never realising the one true cost.

So here it is as we play our cards
from beyond the grave, regretting our loss
how we can learn is how we can help
remembering the day's when we couldn't be telt
our message to you is one to embrace
play your part in the human race.

Learning of mistakes we once did make
you have to listen for heaven's sake
our message to you is one of fear
don't play with the dragon just stay well clear
everything said an all things done
keeping control in the game with the gun.

Make no excuse for substance misuse
It's just a weakness just something loose
open your eyes don't follow the blind
substance misuse it's all in the mind
over to you we wish you well
never going through that life of hell.

You clearly have little knowledge on this subject....and as for the poems.....don't give up your day job.

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:31 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:

Like I said it's Government bull, they tell it you believe it.

I see it with my own eyes. The idiots start on weed and then the pushers give them a free sample of something stronger. When they are hooked on that they get offered more until they are on heroin. They are called pushers for a reason. Don't patronise me by telling me it is government propaganda when it has torn my own family apart.


They didn't have any the willpower to say "no I don't want any." Cannabis isn't additive as the Government state, with heroin it's all about the money, the pharma companies get money in all ways from the treatment with methadone and diazepam to the heroin it's self.

what a load of bull sh&t.....Skunk does make people paranoid....Heroin does not destroy their organs...they do not die. the families have no legal right to stop them....how many funerals have you attended over the years..because I have been to lots......and grieved with their families...And the road the families travel is a nightmare..

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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what a load of bull sh&t.....Skunk does make people paranoid....Heroin does not destroy their organs...they do not die. the families have no legal right to stop them....how many funerals have you attended over the years..because I have been to lots......and grieved with their families...And the road the families travel is a nightmare..


None because all the people I know who smoke weed only smoke weed. The government like you to think it makes you paranoid.


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Nidge2 wrote:
MR T wrote:
what a load of bull sh&t.....Skunk does make people paranoid....Heroin does not destroy their organs...they do not die. the families have no legal right to stop them....how many funerals have you attended over the years..because I have been to lots......and grieved with their families...And the road the families travel is a nightmare..


None because all the people I know who smoke weed only smoke weed. The government like you to think it makes you paranoid.

I hope it is the blow from 30 years ago.

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Pi55e5 me off when a druggie walks in to a chemist, past all those waiting and gets his methadone fix ....

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:35 pm 
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MR T wrote:
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Never done me any harm in my youth and didn't lead me to use herion either, the point is most of us had the will power to stick, only a minority took the card of the devil.

My curiosity started with cigarettes and alcohol, getting wasted on snake bite (lager&cider) wasn't though as cool as smoking a joint and listening to good music.

Moving on up or into harder drugs is down to the individual, human nature & greed are two aspects of wanting more, addiction control though is built in, most of us can control it and a minority can't.

In the early days of someone within a family using a substance like herion, the reaction of that family can be crucial to the user, my brother used herion at the age of 15, we noticed he turned Yellow, Jondice, Questions where asked and he opened up and admitted using herion 3 times with a needle, our family pulled together and showed him family love, he never used it again but did like many of us enjoy a spliff, we are pretty close and we knew everything that went on, sadly though in 92 he was diagnosed with hiv and passed away in 94, his biggest regret was him trying herion 9 years earlier, i don't believe smoking cannabis leads to harder drugs, I believe hope does, if your living a life with no hope or there is a lack of opportunity, that's when a person is at their most vulnerable.

So let's talk about that era when herion use took off, the early 80s and the creation of mass unemployment by the TORIES, all social ills can be traced to that bitch Thatcher.

I'll leave you with a poem I wrote concerning substance misuse.

BEYOND THE GRAVE

Beyond the grave our message to you
a message that should be clear
our message concerns substance misuse
one that offers no an excuse
for there is no excuse when playing the game
where the dragon's game is simply to tame
make no mistake at first it's great
taking control at a notorious rate.

Nothing to fear all of us thought
under control we took what we got
without concern for our family so dear
we genuinely thought there was nothing to fear
full of regret an full of remorse
never realising the one true cost.

So here it is as we play our cards
from beyond the grave, regretting our loss
how we can learn is how we can help
remembering the day's when we couldn't be telt
our message to you is one to embrace
play your part in the human race.

Learning of mistakes we once did make
you have to listen for heaven's sake
our message to you is one of fear
don't play with the dragon just stay well clear
everything said an all things done
keeping control in the game with the gun.

Make no excuse for substance misuse
It's just a weakness just something loose
open your eyes don't follow the blind
substance misuse it's all in the mind
over to you we wish you well
never going through that life of hell.

You clearly have little knowledge on this subject....and as for the poems.....don't give up your day job.

Aye if you say so MrT :roll:

Grew up in a housing estate pre Thatcher that had brewery's, brick works and many miner's, I grew up in an estate that was built to house Irish immigrants that where to much trouble for the city centre (Cowgate/south side) Aye MrT a real education on the social ills of that time, the estate, Craigmillar/Niddrie, reckoned to be post Thatcher as the 3rd most deprived area of Scotland, what caused us to be tagged with that, mass unemployment created by the wicked witch of the south, the surge in crime and drugs was unstoppable, mass unemployment had a knock on effect that is still seen 35 years later, the community I grew up in had spirit, that was ripped out by Thatcher's ideology of fear amongst the masses, that fear is still evident today, it diminishes hope and opportunity for areas like Craigmillar, it creates desperation, it creates depressed people, it creates boredom amongst our youth, Thatcher job done, but hey you think what you want, as for the poetry, if I feel the urge I'll write it, you don't have to like it.

Happy Christmas.

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