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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:21 am 
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Firstly Happy Christmas Grandad, I wish your son all the best, I agree it is difficult to completely come of a substance that has become addictive, I did it and your son can do it too but he has to want too and I mean really want to, all I was addicted to was cannabis, I preferred it to Alchohol, I took my self of to Florida for a couple of weeks of hot weather, walking and drinking lots of water, eating good food, having a great time without cannabis was the way I got off it, it took me about 5 nights to get a good nights sleep but once I did I knew I'd done it, I'd broke the habit, this worked for me, I don't know your sons habit/addiction but like I and Nidge are saying its down to will power, just like any addiction, Alchohol, cigarettes, gambling and drugs, your son has a weakness but with will power and encouragement and a wee hug from his dad saying you can do this, he may just be able to kick the habit.

Do me a favour, show him the poem, discuss it and ask him his opinion, let me know his reaction, the poem concerns all substance misuses, Alchohol destroyed my family, Alchohol is more addictive than cannabis, many of my generation smoked it because of Alchohol abuse by our elders.

Anyway wishing you and your son a very merry happy Christmas :D

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If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.



Because the Pharma companies make money out of the treatment, remember the profit is in the treatment and not in the cure.

There's only one way to come off it and that's cold turkey.

I'm going to blow the whole thing open here, I got addicted to Tramadol after being on them for years after smashing my back in down the coal mines, Tramadol is a synthetic heroin used as a painkiller but it gives you a feeling of weightlessness and pain free. After a time they weren't working so I went to the doctor, he increased the dose to over 600mg a day. I was like a spaceman I was floating, add in the morphine tablets I was a walking chemist.

Fast forward 5 years I was on over 2500mg of tramadol a day and 20mg of morphine tablets. Ten years later I went to see my doctor because I was shaking all the time, his diagnosis was, I was addicted to Tramadol and the synthetic heroin.

I went home and fired all the tablets, the doctor said that it's going to he hard for you. I locked all the doors turned all the phones off and went cold turkey, I've never sweated so much, shaking was there 24/7 for over a week, I didn't sleep for 2 weeks and like I said above I was sweating bullets.

In just under 4 weeks everything stopped, the sweating, the sleepless night and the shaking I was eventually free of Tramadol and the Synthetic Heroin.

Like I said, cold turkey is the only way to go.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:32 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.



Because the Pharma companies make money out of the treatment, remember the profit is in the treatment and not in the cure.

There's only one way to come off it and that's cold turkey.

I'm going to blow the whole thing open here, I got addicted to Tramadol after being on them for years after smashing my back in down the coal mines, Tramadol is a synthetic heroin used as a painkiller but it gives you a feeling of weightlessness and pain free. After a time they weren't working so I went to the doctor, he increased the dose to over 600mg a day. I was like a spaceman I was floating, add in the morphine tablets I was a walking chemist.

Fast forward 5 years I was on over 2500mg of tramadol a day and 20mg of morphine tablets. Ten years later I went to see my doctor because I was shaking all the time, his diagnosis was, I was addicted to Tramadol and the synthetic heroin.

I went home and fired all the tablets, the doctor said that it's going to he hard for you. I locked all the doors turned all the phones off and went cold turkey, I've never sweated so much, shaking was there 24/7 for over a week, I didn't sleep for 2 weeks and like I said above I was sweating bullets.

In just under 4 weeks everything stopped, the sweating, the sleepless night and the shaking I was eventually free of Tramadol and the Synthetic Heroin.

Like I said, cold turkey is the only way to go.

Well said Nidge =D> =D> =D> =D>

I reckon many members on TDO will either have an addiction or like us have overcome an addiction, coming out and opening up is a good way to start or realise that you have beaten that addiction, hopefully this thread has served a purpose :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.



Because the Pharma companies make money out of the treatment, remember the profit is in the treatment and not in the cure.

There's only one way to come off it and that's cold turkey.

I'm going to blow the whole thing open here, I got addicted to Tramadol after being on them for years after smashing my back in down the coal mines, Tramadol is a synthetic heroin used as a painkiller but it gives you a feeling of weightlessness and pain free. After a time they weren't working so I went to the doctor, he increased the dose to over 600mg a day. I was like a spaceman I was floating, add in the morphine tablets I was a walking chemist.

Fast forward 5 years I was on over 2500mg of tramadol a day and 20mg of morphine tablets. Ten years later I went to see my doctor because I was shaking all the time, his diagnosis was, I was addicted to Tramadol and the synthetic heroin.

I went home and fired all the tablets, the doctor said that it's going to he hard for you. I locked all the doors turned all the phones off and went cold turkey, I've never sweated so much, shaking was there 24/7 for over a week, I didn't sleep for 2 weeks and like I said above I was sweating bullets.

In just under 4 weeks everything stopped, the sweating, the sleepless night and the shaking I was eventually free of Tramadol and the Synthetic Heroin.

Like I said, cold turkey is the only way to go.

Well said Nidge =D> =D> =D> =D>

I reckon many members on TDO will either have an addiction or like us have overcome an addiction, coming out and opening up is a good way to start or realise that you have beaten that addiction, hopefully this thread has served a purpose :wink:


Correct but, you'll always get people saying, "you've not been through it sop you can't comment." They know nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.



Because the Pharma companies make money out of the treatment, remember the profit is in the treatment and not in the cure.

There's only one way to come off it and that's cold turkey.

I'm going to blow the whole thing open here, I got addicted to Tramadol after being on them for years after smashing my back in down the coal mines, Tramadol is a synthetic heroin used as a painkiller but it gives you a feeling of weightlessness and pain free. After a time they weren't working so I went to the doctor, he increased the dose to over 600mg a day. I was like a spaceman I was floating, add in the morphine tablets I was a walking chemist.

Fast forward 5 years I was on over 2500mg of tramadol a day and 20mg of morphine tablets. Ten years later I went to see my doctor because I was shaking all the time, his diagnosis was, I was addicted to Tramadol and the synthetic heroin.

I went home and fired all the tablets, the doctor said that it's going to he hard for you. I locked all the doors turned all the phones off and went cold turkey, I've never sweated so much, shaking was there 24/7 for over a week, I didn't sleep for 2 weeks and like I said above I was sweating bullets.

In just under 4 weeks everything stopped, the sweating, the sleepless night and the shaking I was eventually free of Tramadol and the Synthetic Heroin.

Like I said, cold turkey is the only way to go.

Great that you managed to come off. However it is not quite the same when, as things got worse for you as your addiction took a bigger hold, the doctor prescribed more of the same all paid for by the NHS. When you have a heroin addiction, you have to pay for your drugs. Even if you can get on a script things are not straight forward. if you miss a day regardless of the reason the script is withdrawn and you have to go back to street heroin until you can get back on a script. How do you pay for this heroin? You have to go out stealing and the circle continues. There is a far more tragic part to all this which blew the family apart but now is not the time for all that.

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Great that you managed to come off. However it is not quite the same when, as things got worse for you as your addiction took a bigger hold, the doctor prescribed more of the same all paid for by the NHS. When you have a heroin addiction, you have to pay for your drugs. Even if you can get on a script things are not straight forward. if you miss a day regardless of the reason the script is withdrawn and you have to go back to street heroin until you can get back on a script. How do you pay for this heroin? You have to go out stealing and the circle continues. There is a far more tragic part to all this which blew the family apart but now is not the time for all that.



Like I said cold turkey is the only way to go, you've got to want to come off it to come off it.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:00 pm 
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tbh , who cares? its there own choice at the end of the day


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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tbh , who cares? its there own choice at the end of the day


Excellent analysis, it sure is their own choice to go on it and their own choice whether they want to come off it.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Who is Mary Jane :?

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Who is Mary Jane :?

AKA "Mary Joanna". :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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I can't judge.
A girl another poster on here knew from the craigmillar estate.
Liz beautiful girl abused by step dad turned to heroine a mental escape from abuse , died from aids. Lol step dad later died from guess what karma [edited by admin].
I remember a girlfriend when I was 17 buzzing gas. I have 2 memories at 17 one is driving my dad's rhd allegro1500 to Spain. One is coming to on the bathroom floor after buzzing deodorant. I should have died my brother grassed to my parents seen me do it. Didn't learn buzzed gas shortly after it was always accompanied by lager cider swallows. Lol. I'm ashamed but I done that why.I had a good upbringing so I wanted to see why my girlfriend was doing it . I've smoked in the past actually after all the alchohol I love to binge on and the buzzing gas etc and eating cannabis to a ducked state. I think I should go back to recreationally using a smoke. And by the way I don't mind admitting the gym is my home. And I don't bench 140k for reps on creatine lol not at 50.


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Can't believe I forgot to mention my cousin Juan died in the bath at home in martorell near Madrid Spain overdose had cleaned out and in good spirits told my aunt I'm going for bath , he was closest to me when visited same age as me ,I only remember a teenager I'm 50 now .Damn must get back soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Mary Jane
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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.



Because the Pharma companies make money out of the treatment, remember the profit is in the treatment and not in the cure.

There's only one way to come off it and that's cold turkey.

I'm going to blow the whole thing open here, I got addicted to Tramadol after being on them for years after smashing my back in down the coal mines, Tramadol is a synthetic heroin used as a painkiller but it gives you a feeling of weightlessness and pain free. After a time they weren't working so I went to the doctor, he increased the dose to over 600mg a day. I was like a spaceman I was floating, add in the morphine tablets I was a walking chemist.

Fast forward 5 years I was on over 2500mg of tramadol a day and 20mg of morphine tablets. Ten years later I went to see my doctor because I was shaking all the time, his diagnosis was, I was addicted to Tramadol and the synthetic heroin.

I went home and fired all the tablets, the doctor said that it's going to he hard for you. I locked all the doors turned all the phones off and went cold turkey, I've never sweated so much, shaking was there 24/7 for over a week, I didn't sleep for 2 weeks and like I said above I was sweating bullets.

In just under 4 weeks everything stopped, the sweating, the sleepless night and the shaking I was eventually free of Tramadol and the Synthetic Heroin.

Like I said, cold turkey is the only way to go.

Nidge and everyone else, Merry Christmas, and as somebody has already said, I hope something positive comes from these posts.

My back and spine has been deteriorating for years and I ended up on tramadol and other drugs at the top dosage levels and went through all the symptoms you described and more. One time funnily enough at an NTA AGM I had to leave the hotel in the early hours and stand in the car park because the drugs were playing with my mind that badly that I could not go back into the building, I was that frightened and it was all down to tramadol and co. I simply reduced the amount of everything I was taking and was clear within a fortnight. I had some rattles on the way, but none of that is comparable with coming off heroin, methadone etc.

When you are an addict, you are an addict for life whether it be drugs or drink or gambling. If you stop using it just means that you are a non user at that time. To regard what happened to you or me with what happened with tramadol is a misunderstanding. I have a son who has been a heroin addict for 20 years and for the last 5 years has been a non user (or clean as they describe it). The nightmare an addict goes through when he/she needs their next fix is nothing like tramadol, it's not a craving it is their whole body and mind wracked with pain and they will say or do anything to get that fix just to stop that pain for the next few hours. Not to make them feel normal like you and me, or to get high, but simply to get out of the pain. Once you are hooked into that type of dependency the money needed to fund their habit is far beyond a normal persons reach, so they steal whatever they can get their hands on, from their families who they love and who love them. That is the first few steps on what seems a never ending road of despair. Normal people do not know what to do next, how to bring their son or daughter back from this 'life'.http://www.drugs.com/answers/how-strong ... 17273.html

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grandad wrote:
If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.

And that does not work......how many years has he been on it...


https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid ... 6745945043

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MR T wrote:
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If it were that simple why isn't there an NHS clinic where addicts can go and be "fixed" in just 4-6 weeks. That would save the Country an absolute fortune both financially and emotionally. :roll: :roll: :roll:
The only place where you can go to get such intensive help is prison.

And that does not work......how many years has he been on it...


https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid ... 6745945043

I don't know when he started on the weed but he is 32 now and been on heroin for at least 6 years. probably more. I stopped having much to do with him years ago when he stole a load of my stuff. For some reason he didn't steal any of my wife's stuff. His girlfriend, also an addict, would also work with him and they stole a load of money from my dad. They also stole a lot of money from my ex wife and took her kids computer consoles and sold them. He has 3 kids from when he was married and the eldest girl went round to where they were living and sat on the bed and ended up with a used needle sticking in her leg. She is still undergoing tests and treatment in case she has any infection from the needle. he is now banned from seeing his kids without supervision. He has a kid with his current partner and this kid and her other kid have both been taken into care for their own safety.

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