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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:59 pm 
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A bus stop can also be a hackney rank

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:47 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
A Taxi (but not a PH) can stop on a Bus Stop to load or unload only.

The Regulation is "Statutory Instrument 3113 of 2002, Regulation 29, Schedule 19, Bus Stand Clearways and Box Junctions, Para 4(d)."

So it is National Law and can't be trumped by the LA'

The exact quote then:

(d) A taxi which is stationary only for so long as may be reasonably necessary for a passenger to board or alight and to load or unload any luggage of the passenger;

I often use Bus Stops - particularly the ones with the raised kerb (Bus Boarders) for loading or unloading my Wheelchair Passengers - but after a Traffic Cop gave me grief (and a Ticket which got cancelled), I also keep a copy of Schedule 19 in my Cab, twice since ordinary Coppers have radioed in to check the veracity.

If you want to check the veracity yourself, it is here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002 ... le/19/made

By the way there is a similar provision that a Bus (But NOT COACHES) can use a Taxi Rank - but only to load or unload passengers, not to wait. Can't put my finger on that one at the moment though.

It drives Bus Drivers mental when they were the ones that called the Bill.........


@Chris the Fish - fantastic answer! That is just the job, I have printed out to PDF file the pages 409-410 of Schedule 19 of the The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions - SI 2002 No. 3113, from the downloadable PDF document in the above link you gave. I will certainly be keeping a copy of this in the cab which I drive.

Though I couldn't find anything on this in the Highway Code, in the DVSA manual 'Know Your Traffic Signs', I now note on p58 they do specifically say for a bus stop on a RED ROUTE, if the wide continuous line along the edge is YELLOW (but not RED) then taxis may pick up and set down, though on p34 for a bus stop elsewhere they do not say anything about taxis. This could be taken as implying the exemption for taxis generally, since the red route is a more restrictive environment. Many thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:51 pm 
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Print a few spares for Bus Drivers as well. Helps make their day complete! :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:53 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
Print a few spares for Bus Drivers as well. Helps make their day complete! :wink:


Heh heh!

We have Bus Drivers v Taxi Drivers war in our town!

I will be handing them out!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:27 pm 
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Some truth in everything above, but CtF's post refers to BUS STANDS, not BUS STOPS. A bus stand is where a bus can stand during turn round time. A bus stop can also be used as a bus stand for timetabling purposes. Abu and a coach are legally the same thing for the purposes of the Act, the difference is that a coach is capable of exceeding 60mph. A Land Rover with more than 8 passenger seats is a bus for the purpose of some road traffic laws.

What you need to do is look at the LOCAL road traffic orders specific to your area, they are all different. No stopping except buses means what it says. If the sign has local buses, then only buses used on registered local services can stop there. You also need to look at Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD) to find out exactly what the markings mean. If the markings are not correct, then you have a good case for stopping or appealing a ticket.

A bus can also stand and ply for hire and reward. Not a lot of you know that, as indeed can any vehicle displaying a psv operators licence.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:36 pm 
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I'd use the Premium or disabled passenger argument if I was pulled, I do however when picking up a street fare from a bus stop feel I'm breaking the law, if it feels wrong it normally is and vice versa, alway's have a good look around before stopping in a bus stop, most of the time there is a double yellow just before or after the bus stop box, best drop off/pick up there.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:00 pm 
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If you are PH it is illegal.
If you are Hackney it is legal.
For clarity SI 3113 of 2002 is good in England and Wales, it also covers Scotland - or so it says on it.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:44 pm 
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Found this link :wink:

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/further-deta ... on-code-47

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Beware, that's a link to the Northern Ireland government website. Mainland UK may be different. I would again say look at the TRO for your area before jumping to conclusions.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:17 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:50 pm 
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I think most of the time picking up/dropping off on a bus stop, it does not cause any problem because you can stop at the far end of the bus stop typically, and if a bus does appear then it has plenty room to stop and pull out afterwards - there is no conflict arising. However in some situations, eg where there is a line of bus stops all right next to each other, eg typically in a town center on a main thoroughfare, it can be very difficult for the taxi to find a suitable place to let the passenger off, and then we have to use one of the bus stops. A bus can then suddenly appear and find you blocking it from the bus stop, and that's when the conflict arises. I am glad I now know this legislation, in case I get booked. Nowadays we can get booked for the oddest of things - eg one of our drivers got fined for a passenger, a musician with a guitar, in the back not having a seat belt on - this passenger had come from a pub - but he was under 14 years of age, but just didn't look it - that was a police spot check.

As regards 'bus stop' and 'bus stand' - I read somewhere these two terms are interchangeable and mean the same thing - I guess you could also say 'bus bay'?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:12 am 
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Again I would suggest you look at what TSRGD has to state about the difference between bus stops and bus stands.

Bus stands are not all that common outside London and big cities. Generally buses do not pick up and set down passengers at bus stands, but conversely bus stops can be bus stands, i.e buses can stop there to pick up and set down, and stop for as long as necessary for timetabling purposes, even if this means the driver taking his break there.

Any road signs mentioning "coaches" are no longer valid signs. The term "buses" applies to all vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats. The difference is the word "local" on any bus restriction sign means buses used on registered local bus services. Buses going to and from a local bus service, in effect a dead journey from the garage or a bus stand are classed as a local service.

Car drivers seem to be very dyslexic when it comes to reading road markings, thinking the words "bus stop" actually mean "car park". Then they get upset when the spotty geek at TfL watches them on CCTV and dishes them out a £120 raffle ticket.

Personally when I'm bus driving I don't object to taxis stopping briefly on a bus stop to pick up or set down, we all have to use the road to earn a living. A bit of common sense and courtesy always helps.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:25 pm 
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handyman wrote:
Heh heh!

We have Bus Drivers v Taxi Drivers war in our town!

I will be handing them out!

So were the Bus Drivers delighted to have the position pointed out to them?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:33 pm 
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The product may be alive but we are technically unloaded and loading goods.

That is not how it is viewed by our police. Our pedestrian zone is open from 16.00 until 10.00 for the loading and unloading of goods but taxis and private hire vehicles are not permitted to pick up or drop off in the zone. private vehicles are not permitted to load or unload goods within the zone. Commercial vehicles only. Mind you, that is not what the traffic order states.

The police are fully entitled to their opinion, but they can't enforce traffic rules without a traffic order.

And most areas have decriminalised traffic enforcement, so it's got nothing to do with them.

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