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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:10 pm 
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At the full council meeting held this evening I had tabled a public question. following the response to this question here is my supplementary question.

Thank you Councillor XXXXX.
As many of you are aware the taxi drivers association have been unhappy with the way in which the time recording data collected in 2013 and the material costs stated in previous reports has been used to set the level of fees for our licenses.

The data was collected by untrained, unqualified people with no independent verification. There was no recording of any time that was spent on other activities so the percentages claimed can’t be verified. It was a very amateurish exercise.

Included in the list of costs of materials are sums for personal licenses issued to people working in Pubs, clubs and restaurants. Clearly nothing to do with taxi license materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There was also a sum for membership of licensing institutions. Again clearly nothing to do with taxi licensing materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There is also nearly £1,000 included in taxi license materials for staff training. How can this be correct?

It has already been shown previously that the time recorded for reviewing the licensing policy should not have been included in its entirety.

Councillor XXXXX has just confirmed that there was only one active application for an operator’s license during the time recording period. The head of Regulatory services has confirmed to the association that this application was stamped as received on November 13th 2013 yet two thirds of the time recorded by officers as working on operators licenses was recorded before this application was received. This shows that officers were falsifying the records. This could be seen as fraud.

There are still many costs that have not yet been explained by officers and this will remain an ongoing task for the association but there seems to be a pattern of deliberately and systematically adding time and including incorrect costs with the sole intention of increasing the cost of taxi licenses.

My supplementary question is this. If these sort of inaccuracies are being allowed to pass through committees, what are the chances of similar inaccuracies showing up in all the Councils financial reports including the setting of Council tax?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:15 pm 
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grandad wrote:
At the full council meeting held this evening I had tabled a public question. following the response to this question here is my supplementary question.

Thank you Councillor XXXXX.
As many of you are aware the taxi drivers association have been unhappy with the way in which the time recording data collected in 2013 and the material costs stated in previous reports has been used to set the level of fees for our licenses.

The data was collected by untrained, unqualified people with no independent verification. There was no recording of any time that was spent on other activities so the percentages claimed can’t be verified. It was a very amateurish exercise.

Included in the list of costs of materials are sums for personal licenses issued to people working in Pubs, clubs and restaurants. Clearly nothing to do with taxi license materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There was also a sum for membership of licensing institutions. Again clearly nothing to do with taxi licensing materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There is also nearly £1,000 included in taxi license materials for staff training. How can this be correct?

It has already been shown previously that the time recorded for reviewing the licensing policy should not have been included in its entirety.

Councillor XXXXX has just confirmed that there was only one active application for an operator’s license during the time recording period. The head of Regulatory services has confirmed to the association that this application was stamped as received on November 13th 2013 yet two thirds of the time recorded by officers as working on operators licenses was recorded before this application was received. This shows that officers were falsifying the records. This could be seen as fraud.

There are still many costs that have not yet been explained by officers and this will remain an ongoing task for the association but there seems to be a pattern of deliberately and systematically adding time and including incorrect costs with the sole intention of increasing the cost of taxi licenses.

My supplementary question is this. If these sort of inaccuracies are being allowed to pass through committees, what are the chances of similar inaccuracies showing up in all the Councils financial reports including the setting of Council tax?


I think TT and you are soul mates :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:17 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
grandad wrote:
At the full council meeting held this evening I had tabled a public question. following the response to this question here is my supplementary question.

Thank you Councillor XXXXX.
As many of you are aware the taxi drivers association have been unhappy with the way in which the time recording data collected in 2013 and the material costs stated in previous reports has been used to set the level of fees for our licenses.

The data was collected by untrained, unqualified people with no independent verification. There was no recording of any time that was spent on other activities so the percentages claimed can’t be verified. It was a very amateurish exercise.

Included in the list of costs of materials are sums for personal licenses issued to people working in Pubs, clubs and restaurants. Clearly nothing to do with taxi license materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There was also a sum for membership of licensing institutions. Again clearly nothing to do with taxi licensing materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There is also nearly £1,000 included in taxi license materials for staff training. How can this be correct?

It has already been shown previously that the time recorded for reviewing the licensing policy should not have been included in its entirety.

Councillor XXXXX has just confirmed that there was only one active application for an operator’s license during the time recording period. The head of Regulatory services has confirmed to the association that this application was stamped as received on November 13th 2013 yet two thirds of the time recorded by officers as working on operators licenses was recorded before this application was received. This shows that officers were falsifying the records. This could be seen as fraud.

There are still many costs that have not yet been explained by officers and this will remain an ongoing task for the association but there seems to be a pattern of deliberately and systematically adding time and including incorrect costs with the sole intention of increasing the cost of taxi licenses.

My supplementary question is this. If these sort of inaccuracies are being allowed to pass through committees, what are the chances of similar inaccuracies showing up in all the Councils financial reports including the setting of Council tax?


I think TT and you are soul mates :wink:

I admit that I have spoken with TT regarding this issue. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:21 pm 
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I admit that I have spoken with TT regarding this issue. :wink:


Oh FFS :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:26 pm 
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grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
grandad wrote:
At the full council meeting held this evening I had tabled a public question. following the response to this question here is my supplementary question.

Thank you Councillor XXXXX.
As many of you are aware the taxi drivers association have been unhappy with the way in which the time recording data collected in 2013 and the material costs stated in previous reports has been used to set the level of fees for our licenses.

The data was collected by untrained, unqualified people with no independent verification. There was no recording of any time that was spent on other activities so the percentages claimed can’t be verified. It was a very amateurish exercise.

Included in the list of costs of materials are sums for personal licenses issued to people working in Pubs, clubs and restaurants. Clearly nothing to do with taxi license materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There was also a sum for membership of licensing institutions. Again clearly nothing to do with taxi licensing materials. This has been agreed by the head of Regulatory Services.

There is also nearly £1,000 included in taxi license materials for staff training. How can this be correct?

It has already been shown previously that the time recorded for reviewing the licensing policy should not have been included in its entirety.

Councillor XXXXX has just confirmed that there was only one active application for an operator’s license during the time recording period. The head of Regulatory services has confirmed to the association that this application was stamped as received on November 13th 2013 yet two thirds of the time recorded by officers as working on operators licenses was recorded before this application was received. This shows that officers were falsifying the records. This could be seen as fraud.

There are still many costs that have not yet been explained by officers and this will remain an ongoing task for the association but there seems to be a pattern of deliberately and systematically adding time and including incorrect costs with the sole intention of increasing the cost of taxi licenses.

My supplementary question is this. If these sort of inaccuracies are being allowed to pass through committees, what are the chances of similar inaccuracies showing up in all the Councils financial reports including the setting of Council tax?


I think TT and you are soul mates :wink:

I admit that I have spoken with TT regarding this issue. :wink:



You little devil lol.......luv it =D>

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:40 pm 
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I was actually stopped half way through by the chief executive. saying that I had ran out of time. The Councillors would have none of it and voted unanimously to suspend standing orders so that I could finish. When i sat down there was silence. it was eerie, you could literally hear a pin drop. The meeting is recorded and will be available on the council website. I will put up a link when it is available for any of you who would like to listen.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:48 pm 
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grandad wrote:
I was actually stopped half way through by the chief executive. saying that I had ran out of time. The Councillors would have none of it and voted unanimously to suspend standing orders so that I could finish. When i sat down there was silence. it was eerie, you could literally hear a pin drop. The meeting is recorded and will be available on the council website. I will put up a link when it is available for any of you who would like to listen.

much better to put a calm and cool argument forward.........than bang your fists on the table


In the paper I hope

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:00 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
grandad wrote:
I admit that I have spoken with TT regarding this issue. :wink:


Oh FFS :lol:


And why not ????????????CAPTAIN ??

It appears to me Grandad has got this TORY mob by the bollox :badgrin: :badgrin:

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I admit that I have spoken with TT regarding this issue. :wink:

You poor soul. #-o

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grandad wrote:
I was actually stopped half way through by the chief executive. saying that I had ran out of time. The Councillors would have none of it and voted unanimously to suspend standing orders so that I could finish. When i sat down there was silence. it was eerie, you could literally hear a pin drop. The meeting is recorded and will be available on the council website. I will put up a link when it is available for any of you who would like to listen.

Any chance of getting an answer to the questions?

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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
I was actually stopped half way through by the chief executive. saying that I had ran out of time. The Councillors would have none of it and voted unanimously to suspend standing orders so that I could finish. When i sat down there was silence. it was eerie, you could literally hear a pin drop. The meeting is recorded and will be available on the council website. I will put up a link when it is available for any of you who would like to listen.

Any chance of getting an answer to the questions?

I will receive an answer within 10 days.
The leader of the Council resigned last night. I don't know if it has much to do with our campaign.

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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
I was actually stopped half way through by the chief executive. saying that I had ran out of time. The Councillors would have none of it and voted unanimously to suspend standing orders so that I could finish. When i sat down there was silence. it was eerie, you could literally hear a pin drop. The meeting is recorded and will be available on the council website. I will put up a link when it is available for any of you who would like to listen.

Any chance of getting an answer to the questions?



I should think at the moment there is a period of frantic legal consultations by councillors frightened of giving an answer. It won't be any time soon i suspect they will use all 10 days up

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grandad wrote:
I will receive an answer within 10 days.
The leader of the Council resigned last night. I don't know if it has much to do with our campaign.

I meant to ask if the press have taken this up?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:18 am 
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Sussex wrote:
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I will receive an answer within 10 days.
The leader of the Council resigned last night. I don't know if it has much to do with our campaign.

I meant to ask if the press have taken this up?

They took a copy of what I had said. I haven't seen a report on it yet. maybe they will have to wait for the reply from the Council.

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