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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:05 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
Picking up out of turn surely is depriving the 1st car of his fare.

It is not his fare. No driver has a god given right to any customer off the street.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:40 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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S64 Town Police Clauses Act 1847

Improperly standing with carriage; refusing to give way to, or obstructing, any other driver or depriving him of his fare.



How can that be pointed at a driver 5 cars from the front when a passenger selects HIS car to get in?


Improperly standing with carriage......no

refusing to give way to, or obstructing, any other driver or depriving him of his fare........no

The point is it is there........How it is interpreted by the licencing officer is another thing... :
But the Customer is King.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:17 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
Picking up out of turn surely is depriving the 1st car of his fare.

Happens all the time


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:57 pm 
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I suppose the only lawful and correct thing to do is to report the driver as suspicious because he tends to hang around school playgrounds - with CSE all the rage these days the authorities would suspend the c*nt before you could say Adam Johnson.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:52 pm 
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When we was first licenced, we started the first off the rank, a member of the public went to the council and complained that they had used a certain company for years, and that they didn't want to wait until they got to the front, the council said , its your prerogative use the one you want, now its a free for all


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:27 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
Picking up out of turn surely is depriving the 1st car of his fare.


not by the driver, and i doubt the passenger could be charged

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:15 am 
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MR T wrote:
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Check the Bye Laws for your Licensing area,any one picking up on a TAXI stand (rank) out of order(1st car 1st job) may be committing an offence.

Bye Laws are the LAW.

Have you got an example of a Bylaw for any LA that says this?

I am not larking about, if there is one I am intrgued.

S64 Town Police Clauses Act 1847

Improperly standing with carriage; refusing to give way to, or obstructing, any other driver or depriving him of his fare.


What section 64 actually says is this: -

or who wrongfully in a forcible manner prevents or endeavours to prevent the driver of any other hackney carriage from being hired, shall be liable to a penalty

The customer is free to choose whichever hackney they want from the vehicles available on the rank.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:48 pm 
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I cannot believe that you guys are debating this!

The customer has the right to choose whatever service they are buying. A taxi rank is basically there to let customers know as to where they can find a taxi on a regular basis, and to giver the drivers somewhere to stop legally in order to obtain business, to also rank/queue in an orderly fashion. The fact that a person/passenger goes to the front of the queue is an orderly/courtesy issue

Imo no Bye Laws are going to supercede the rights of a person to lawfully choose any product/service. The Bye Laws apply to taxi drivers v taxi drivers i.e I could not as a fellow taxi driver steal your work or stop you from working by threatening/bullying "I know that I am number 3 on the rank - but I am taking the next fare". If a member of the public stopped you/I from working i.e by say deliberately keeping your cab door open, and refusing to let you leave - then that would come under civil law.

Find me any law that says (You do not have the right to choose).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:59 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
I cannot believe that you guys are debating this!

The customer has the right to choose whatever service they are buying. A taxi rank is basically there to let customers know as to where they can find a taxi on a regular basis, and to giver the drivers somewhere to stop legally in order to obtain business, to also rank/queue in an orderly fashion. The fact that a person/passenger goes to the front of the queue is an orderly/courtesy issue

Imo no Bye Laws are going to supercede the rights of a person to lawfully choose any product/service. The Bye Laws apply to taxi drivers v taxi drivers i.e I could not as a fellow taxi driver steal your work or stop you from working by threatening/bullying "I know that I am number 3 on the rank - but I am taking the next fare". If a member of the public stopped you/I from working i.e by say deliberately keeping your cab door open, and refusing to let you leave - then that would come under civil law.

Find me any law that says (You do not have the right to choose).


Considering every cab in an area, will have the same rates, and that everyone has paid for a licence, it should become law that persons requiring a cab from any rank should go to the front, thereby giving all drivers a chance to earn


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:12 pm 
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I am not debating with anyone, simply pointing out the laws that council officers use as tools to prosecute. They interpret them in their way and you are left with proving them wrong.

For example, 2 hackneys sitting on a hackney rank on a main street, with a 3rd hackney parked further down the road from the stand. 2 people get off a bus and make their way to the rank waving their hands and shouting 'taxi!'. The taxi that was parked up further back starts up, drives past the rank and stops in front of the approaching people, they get in and he drives off. Was an offence committed in the eyes of an enforcement officer if a complaint was made?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:56 pm 
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skippy41 wrote:

Considering every cab in an area, will have the same rates, and that everyone has paid for a licence, it should become law that persons requiring a cab from any rank should go to the front, thereby giving all drivers a chance to earn

Freedom of choice skippy. Are you going to prosecute the customer for choosing a car from further down the rank? Good luck with that one.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:34 pm 
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Another issue that (might) come into it - is a driver allowed to refuse a fare unless with good reason, we know that he cannot, so........ (is it considered good reason on a rank to refuse?)My guess is that LA enforcement would come down on you/I like a ton of bricks stating that a customer has the choice of Any" vehicle.

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skippy41 wrote:

Considering every cab in an area, will have the same rates, and that everyone has paid for a licence, it should become law that persons requiring a cab from any rank should go to the front, thereby giving all drivers a chance to earn


In whose eyes?

its a cattle market, buyer chooses

can Tesco force me to buy Heinz beans over HP?.....i think not

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:07 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:

can Tesco force me to buy Heinz beans over HP?.....i think not

Probably not the best example because Tesco will position the beans in the best selling position for the company that pays them the most for the placement.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:43 am 
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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:

can Tesco force me to buy Heinz beans over HP?.....i think not

Probably not the best example because Tesco will position the beans in the best selling position for the company that pays them the most for the placement.


Which is why Grandad, the "Gentlemen's Agreement" of "First On - First Off" is usually the accepted rule on every hackney rank in the country. The first vehicle is in the prime position to take the next customer to approach the rank. However, if the first taxi (the Heinz beanz) is filthy and smells like an old sock, or just because the customer likes the colour blue rather than red the customer can take car two/three/whatever (the HP beanz).


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