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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:50 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
How does surge pricing with a hackney plate work???? :oops:


the issue of meters and fares is the only sticking point, maybe if uber had T1 and T2 (or as per each LA) and only gave ESTIMATES with a feedback per trip to finalise the cost it could work

book a car/cab....A to B.....estimate is £60..........meter fare is £65, drivers uses the app back to uber, uber takes the money

im sure theres a way

or uber customers could have a charge card and pay in the taxi


In Uber taxis, at the end of the journey, the driver will enter the fare into their app, passenger gets out, and the driver will get paid the fare into their bank account, less any commission Uber takes.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:10 pm 
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christopherwk wrote:

In Uber taxis, at the end of the journey, the driver will enter the fare into their app, passenger gets out, and the driver will get paid the fare into their bank account, less any commission Uber takes.


You cant bet your life that the money is taken before the passenger gets into the car.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:12 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:
christopherwk wrote:

In Uber taxis, at the end of the journey, the driver will enter the fare into their app, passenger gets out, and the driver will get paid the fare into their bank account, less any commission Uber takes.


You cant bet your life that the money is taken before the passenger gets into the car.

I think you are talking rubbish.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:31 pm 
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Is it my imagination but go back two years and everyone hated Addison Lee, now it seems AL are forgotten and everyone hates Uber...



Nope, I wrote about it


so you did and it was your normal "its not fair" drivel never a plan of solidarity of confrontation of having a battle just a WHINE #-o

"ITS NOT FAIR" #-o #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
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Nidge2 wrote:
christopherwk wrote:

In Uber taxis, at the end of the journey, the driver will enter the fare into their app, passenger gets out, and the driver will get paid the fare into their bank account, less any commission Uber takes.


You cant bet your life that the money is taken before the passenger gets into the car.


i dont think it is but will check

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:36 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
and keeping the owner drivers happy so UBER cant recruit them?
I wonder how many would jump ship to Uber if the traditional companies operated a similar PAYG scheme, instead of charging a fixed weekly rent charge 10, 20%, or 50p per job done ?

More incentive for the companies to get more work and the drivers are happy that if it's a quiet shift or they're taking the day off they aren't paying the companies just to sit at the side of the road.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:51 pm 
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sasha wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
and keeping the owner drivers happy so UBER cant recruit them?
I wonder how many would jump ship to Uber if the traditional companies operated a similar PAYG scheme, instead of charging a fixed weekly rent charge 10, 20%, or 50p per job done ?

More incentive for the companies to get more work and the drivers are happy that if it's a quiet shift or they're taking the day off they aren't paying the companies just to sit at the side of the road.


Most Black cab drivers operating with Gett on the PAYG simply ignore the app during times of high demand, it happens to a lesser extent on fixed circuit fees too but would if adopted seriously affect punters being able to book a cab during times of high demand, this would lead to those punters heading over to private hire.

My PDA is roughly costing me 8% of my monthly turnover, I work the system but have worked the street without a PDA, my circuit fees are easily covered with the difference.

I can see the attractiveness of PAYG but these companies will sign up an unlimited amount of drivers, they are only interested in the commission, I prefer the co-operative model and if you work the circuit especially during times of high demand good money can be made, much better than the street during these times, my opinion though others may differ.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:16 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
christopherwk wrote:

In Uber taxis, at the end of the journey, the driver will enter the fare into their app, passenger gets out, and the driver will get paid the fare into their bank account, less any commission Uber takes.


You cant bet your life that the money is taken before the passenger gets into the car.


No money changes hands in whatever Uber you choose.

Especially since you don't know the end fare, whether it's worked out by the app, or a taximeter.

(With the exception of cancellations and/or no shows)


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:49 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
I can see the attractiveness of PAYG but these companies will sign up an unlimited amount of drivers, they are only interested in the commission.
Good point. Just to clarify I'm talking about the traditional PH/HC companies who charge a fixed weekly rent to its drivers not companies like uber.

I don't see any advantage to a local traditional cab firm signing up unlimited drivers on a PAYG basis, they would get the same commission regardless of how many drivers they have as it's based on number of jobs dispatched. Lets say a company dispatches a 1000 jobs a day and charged 50p to the driver that gets the job, it wouldn't matter that the company has 10 drivers or 100 the company would still get £500 commission for those 1000 jobs. If the company wanted to increase its commission then its incentive would be to increase the job count.

If on the other hand a company is charging a fixed weekly rent then its incentive is to have as many cars on the firm as possible, more cars=more rental income. From a drivers perspective would you rather pay a weekly rent to a firm with lots of cars so the work is spread thinly, or work for a firm that charges you 50p for each job you do ?

This is why the likes of Uber look attractive to drivers, pay a firm £150+ a week (even if you dont' work) for an unknown number of jobs, or only pay Uber if you do a job.
If you make £600 in a week for a company that charges £150 rent that's 25% of your earnings, or commission. If you make £600 in a week driving for Uber how much do they take off you ?


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:06 pm 
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sasha wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
I can see the attractiveness of PAYG but these companies will sign up an unlimited amount of drivers, they are only interested in the commission.
Good point. Just to clarify I'm talking about the traditional PH/HC companies who charge a fixed weekly rent to its drivers not companies like uber.

I don't see any advantage to a local traditional cab firm signing up unlimited drivers on a PAYG basis, they would get the same commission regardless of how many drivers they have as it's based on number of jobs dispatched. Lets say a company dispatches a 1000 jobs a day and charged 50p to the driver that gets the job, it wouldn't matter that the company has 10 drivers or 100 the company would still get £500 commission for those 1000 jobs. If the company wanted to increase its commission then its incentive would be to increase the job count.

If on the other hand a company is charging a fixed weekly rent then its incentive is to have as many cars on the firm as possible, more cars=more rental income. From a drivers perspective would you rather pay a weekly rent to a firm with lots of cars so the work is spread thinly, or work for a firm that charges you 50p for each job you do ?

This is why the likes of Uber look attractive to drivers, pay a firm £150+ a week (even if you dont' work) for an unknown number of jobs, or only pay Uber if you do a job.
If you make £600 in a week for a company that charges £150 rent that's 25% of your earnings, or commission. If you make £600 in a week driving for Uber how much do they take off you ?



Very well put/illustrated. The only flaw being is that with Uber you will 100% pay your tax.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:39 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
The only flaw being is that with Uber you will 100% pay your tax.
Only if you make a profit above the income tax threshold.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:42 pm 
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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
The only flaw being is that with Uber you will 100% pay your tax.
Only if you make a profit above the income tax threshold.


ill create a partnership with the wife, thats double the tax allowances......

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:54 am 
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sasha wrote:
If you make £600 in a week driving for Uber how much do they take off you ?


Varies by market, and within that market, depends on the class of car.

As far as I know in London:

UberX - 25% (for new drivers, and those who joined up within the last few months or so), 20% (existing ones)
UberXL - 28%
UberExec - 25%
UberLux - 28%
UberTaxi - 0% (for 1 year, then it's 10%)


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:04 am 
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local bases charge £150 for a pda

at UBERs top rate of 25% that would equate to taking £600 a week then?

but, its also £150 if you dont get any work...................

If I was Uber id drop it all to 10% and rip the ar5e out the bases first

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:57 pm 
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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
The only flaw being is that with Uber you will 100% pay your tax.
Only if you make a profit above the income tax threshold.



Yes I know - I was thinking beyond that :D

Whichever way you put it (unless the driver concerned is 101% honest) then you WILL pay more tax being with Uber :sad:

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