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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:51 pm 
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The only flaw being is that with Uber you will 100% pay your tax.
Only if you make a profit above the income tax threshold.



Yes I know - I was thinking beyond that :D

Whichever way you put it (unless the driver concerned is 101% honest) then you WILL pay more tax being with Uber :sad:


What you mean is that the amount of tax due will be payable

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:07 pm 
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What you mean is that the amount of tax due will be payable


Yes, that would definitely be the case with Uber.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:09 pm 
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What you mean is that the amount of tax due will be payable


Yes, that would definitely be the case with Uber.


well, if you mean theres no place to hide TAKINGS with uber your correct, HMRC can request your job details BUT, they can do that with any base but even more so with bases that use the like of Mercury, they dont even have to ask the base, Mercury hold the details on the servers and couldnt refuse to hand over details, so be warned...........

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:28 pm 
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christopherwk wrote:
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If you make £600 in a week driving for Uber how much do they take off you ?


Varies by market, and within that market, depends on the class of car.

As far as I know in London:

UberX - 25% (for new drivers, and those who joined up within the last few months or so), 20% (existing ones)
UberXL - 28%
UberExec - 25%
UberLux - 28%
UberTaxi - 0% (for 1 year, then it's 10%)
So about the same outgoing (for £600 earnings p/w) whether you drive for a traditional company or Uber.
The difference being Uber only charge you for each job done, traditional firms charge you a weeks rent regardless of how many days worked or jobs done. This is why driving for Uber looks attractive to drivers, until they put their commisssion up.

At the end of the day every driver wants to make as much profit as possible for as little work as possible, for some that's paying £150 in rent, for others it's giving 25% to an app firm. But if you earn less than £600 a week it looks like using an app based company will yield better profit, over £600 p/w - stick with a traditional firm.


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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:37 pm 
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sasha wrote:
At the end of the day every driver wants to make as much profit as possible for as little work as possible, for some that's paying £150 in rent, for others it's giving 25% to an app firm. But if you earn less than £600 a week it looks like using an app based company will yield better profit, over £600 p/w - stick with a traditional firm.


Runners and No shows pay with Uber, wont with a normal base

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:26 pm 
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sasha wrote:
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I can see the attractiveness of PAYG but these companies will sign up an unlimited amount of drivers, they are only interested in the commission.
Good point. Just to clarify I'm talking about the traditional PH/HC companies who charge a fixed weekly rent to its drivers not companies like uber.

I don't see any advantage to a local traditional cab firm signing up unlimited drivers on a PAYG basis, they would get the same commission regardless of how many drivers they have as it's based on number of jobs dispatched. Lets say a company dispatches a 1000 jobs a day and charged 50p to the driver that gets the job, it wouldn't matter that the company has 10 drivers or 100 the company would still get £500 commission for those 1000 jobs. If the company wanted to increase its commission then its incentive would be to increase the job count.

If on the other hand a company is charging a fixed weekly rent then its incentive is to have as many cars on the firm as possible, more cars=more rental income. From a drivers perspective would you rather pay a weekly rent to a firm with lots of cars so the work is spread thinly, or work for a firm that charges you 50p for each job you do ?

This is why the likes of Uber look attractive to drivers, pay a firm £150+ a week (even if you dont' work) for an unknown number of jobs, or only pay Uber if you do a job.
If you make £600 in a week for a company that charges £150 rent that's 25% of your earnings, or commission. If you make £600 in a week driving for Uber how much do they take off you ?

I get where your coming from, I've thought about this previously, my dues are way below the £150 per week used as the example, playing my weekly game where I'm working the system and what the system leads me to as far as jobs go, I can make much more than the £600 per week, our company secretary looked at this and came back with the 8% figure, it's an interesting view and would need to be looked at, driver loyalty during times of demand is a huge concern, any kind of unreliability can seriously damage a companies reputation, I still feel a well run co-op is the way to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Uber
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:35 pm 
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More incentive for the companies to get more work and the drivers are happy that if it's a quiet shift or they're taking the day off they aren't paying the companies just to sit at the side of the road.



Yes, but if uber is quiet, you also starve :wink:

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More incentive for the companies to get more work and the drivers are happy that if it's a quiet shift or they're taking the day off they aren't paying the companies just to sit at the side of the road.



Yes, but if uber is quiet, you also starve :wink:


but unlike a base, you dont make a loss

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:44 pm 
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but unlike a base, you dont make a loss


ahh profitable starvation :lol:

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but unlike a base, you dont make a loss


ahh profitable starvation :lol:



no, but maybe destitute base owners

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no, but maybe destitute base owners


Travis aint destitute - he's a billionaire, on the back of rape and murder - nice guy tho :lol:

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captain cab wrote:
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no, but maybe destitute base owners


Travis aint destitute - he's a billionaire, on the back of rape and murder - nice guy tho :lol:


Dave Lee?

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