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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:07 pm 
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I am going out ( got to ) will reply later.

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:13 pm 
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Perhaps you can point out as to how we as the working population have benefited by being in! I am still waiting for the other lie to materialise - North Sea gas will be cheaper for all of us.....your bills will be lower :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are pulling our chain all of the time - the rich/poor divide tells you that.

P.S. Every gas appliance in the country was altered to accommodate North Sea gas - and now we have the highest energy costs in the EU #-o


I'm not old enough to tell you what working outside of the EU was ever like.

However, I do know that all the screw ups to befall the British were caused by the British - not the EU.

The EU wasn't responsible for North Sea oil or gas.

The EU wasn't responsible for British Car makers failing.

The EU wasn't responsible for Coal mines closing.

The EU isn't responsible for the Steel.

The EU isn't responsible for UK foreign policy.

The EU isn't responsible for corrupt politicians and companies hiding their money away in tax havens.

If you want to know who is responsible - its those good old UK politicians - some of whom want to leave the EU and some who want to remain - personally I think you'll get screwed over whichever gang your in.

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:20 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:

P.S. Every gas appliance in the country was altered to accommodate North Sea gas - and now we have the highest energy costs in the EU #-o

You could convert yours back to "town gas" but it wont work because there isn't any now. No one makes it. My electricity and water costs more in Spain than it does here. Have you looked into switching suppliers recently? There are some good deals to be had at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:24 pm 
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Some one has a poor memory,not many people could afford to buy new houses in the 60/70/80s, that was the period of the highest mortgage interest rates ever,many people suffered the blight of repossession in this period.

Maybe has also forgotten the winter of discontent and the 3 day week.

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:53 pm 
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grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:

Perhaps you can point out as to how we as the working population have benefited by being in! I am still waiting for the other lie to materialise - North Sea gas will be cheaper for all of us.....your bills will be lower :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are pulling our chain all of the time - the rich/poor divide tells you that.

P.S. Every gas appliance in the country was altered to accommodate North Sea gas - and now we have the highest energy costs in the EU #-o


I'm not old enough to tell you what working outside of the EU was ever like.

However, I do know that all the screw ups to befall the British were caused by the British - not the EU.

The EU wasn't responsible for North Sea oil or gas.

The EU wasn't responsible for British Car makers failing.

The EU wasn't responsible for Coal mines closing.

The EU isn't responsible for the Steel.

The EU isn't responsible for UK foreign policy.

The EU isn't responsible for corrupt politicians and companies hiding their money away in tax havens.

If you want to know who is responsible - its those good old UK politicians - some of whom want to leave the EU and some who want to remain - personally I think you'll get screwed over whichever gang your in.

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The EU is responsible for the common currency

The EU is responsible for the common agricultural policy

The EU is responsible for the common fisheries policy.

And cheese mountains, wine lakes.

There will be a United States of Europe.

And I just got my propaganda leaflEts

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:55 pm 
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"Dodgy Dave" is going to have a busy postman with all these EU letter being sent back. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:39 pm 
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Some one has a poor memory,not many people could afford to buy new houses in the 60/70/80s, that was the period of the highest mortgage interest rates ever,many people suffered the blight of repossession in this period.


I can only speak from personal experience and I would assume that it was the same for many others, particularly in England as they were on a higher wage rate than us for doing the same job - there was disparity at the time that was gradually closed.

Although interest rates ebbed and flowed it was not the same as today because the borrowing criteria was a lot different, and more sensible. The borrowing criteria in those days was 2.25 x your income and 1 x your wife's i.e if I earned 5k then I could borrow £11,250 - and then say my wife was on 3k it would give us another 3k on top, giving us a total mortgage borrowing of £14,250 in the 1970s which would be enough to be buying a detached house of moderation. It basically worked out that a quarter of a months salary went in mortgage repayments, this of course left some flexibility for cut backs if the rates went up. Today the banks/building societies have encouraged over the top borrowing, that will put millions in the poop if and when the rates go up.

If you take the time to look it up, you will find that whilst rates going up do not help - neither should they cause you to lose your house if you borrow sensibly. Unfortunately it was government policies that forced up obscene rates, at times that caught out people who bought at the top of the market. Most people will borrow right up to the limit/maximum, unfortunately when the rates go up they have left no room to maneuver. Many people (could) afford to buy in the 60/70/80s as work and industry was still around and wages were still good. It started to go down hill when Thatcher started selling off and allowed well paid jobs to go abroad.

Housing has stagnated massively since the 60/70/80s compared to today when we have record low interest rates! So, what has caused this disparity in your eyes?

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
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I'm not old enough to tell you what working outside of the EU was ever like.


I am. The only problem that seemed to surface was the travel distance/cost between us and our commonwealth cousins! On that I can never remember saying saying that I would not buy Aussie/New Zealand/Canadian goods because of cost . Personally I think that it was an excuse to severe links and to join the as was then "The Common Market".

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However, I do know that all the screw ups to befall the British were caused by the British - not the EU.


Not necessarily so! You/I do not know what skulduggery has gone on behind the scenes. The organisation/deceit by the politicians will have gone on for years to make it happen. Instead of "We are all this together" try - "They were all in this together"

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The EU wasn't responsible for British Car makers failing.


I refer to my previous answer.

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The EU wasn't responsible for Coal mines closing.


Thatcher Or the EU....take your choice - I trust neither.

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The EU isn't responsible for the Steel.


Yes it is (partly). 1. They will not allow us to set own own tariff above an already set rate, unlike the USA who have something a 279% tariff on top of steel from China. 2. The energy cost are astronomical compared to the rest of Europe, as I said..partly.

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The EU isn't responsible for UK foreign policy.


I refer to part (1) of the above answer.

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The EU isn't responsible for corrupt politicians and companies hiding their money away in tax havens.


Okay I have bitten and you are winding me up - I guess that you reckon that the most corrupt organisation outside of FIFA who have never been audited, and help themselves to copious amounts of our money.....are not linked to corrupt practices, and do not have any politicians who are linked to tax havens - I would love to see their tax returns!


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If you want to know who is responsible - its those good old UK politicians - some of whom want to leave the EU and some who want to remain - personally I think you'll get screwed over whichever gang your in.


We agree on something at last :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:54 am 
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I'm sorry john - I disagree with the majority of what you wrote.

I don't believe the EU has the impact many say it does, I believe the majority of decisions made affecting the people of this country are made by UK politicians.

We live in a country where we have an unelected head of state, and princes and princesses wandering around the world (at our expense) and we have the gall to shout about Brussels bureaucrats?

We blame EU open borders for immigrants, yet the majority of immigrants are from outside the EU and are people we do have the right to say no entry to.

The referendum is a charade, we'll all still be owned by the owners of this country whatever the result - why do you think they are allowing it in the first place?

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:42 am 
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I don't believe the EU has the impact many say it does, I believe the majority of decisions made affecting the people of this country are made by UK politicians.


I am not saying for one moment that we are perfect, or that our own lot are wonderful. What I am saying is that as much as our lot make bad decisions towards us, it is not helped by giving them the excuse/out on many fronts, by being able to blame the EU for decisions that they make. No doubt they have all sat down to dinner and discussed as to who will take the blame in order to get policies through. Unfortunately on top of that, Brussels are deciding policies of different countries - on that basis we are never going to be in charge of our own country/destiny.Whilst I remember! Do not forget for one moment the effect that Brussels has on VAT - it is NOT allowed to drop below 15%. So! even if we wanted to drop VAT - we cannot.

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We live in a country where we have an unelected head of state, and princes and princesses wandering around the world (at our expense) and we have the gall to shout about Brussels bureaucrats?


I am with you on that one. Having said that, it is not hypocrisy from the electorate re the Royal family - it is the pomp that the elite suck up to in order to move up the pecking ladder. As such we/I am prepared to moan about the Royal family, and the Brussels bureaucrats, to state the obvious, and not a dig at you "Two wrongs do not make right".

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We blame EU open borders for immigrants, yet the majority of immigrants are from outside the EU and are people we do have the right to say no entry to.


This from memory was started by Bliar who let in untold immigrants from all around the world - no doubt viewing them as £££££££s to the exchequer. Unfortunately it has escalated out of control with Cameron lying that he was going to put the brakes on, as he too is looking at it the same way! As it is at the moment we are struggling because our infrastructure cannot cope, our own values and way of life are being diminished by the day......and there is no end to the flow. The country is in the ridiculous situation of paying immigrants enough benefits money that they can afford to send it home to a country that they can live very well on it.....whilst our people starve and struggle to get similar benefits - all this from a country that is in effect bankrupt! By staying in the EU this massive problem will get worse and.............we will NOT be allowed to stop it. The bottom line being is - what is done, is done, however there is no point in making it any the worse. Andddd - do not start me off over the security/terrorism issue that this will bring to our shores on a larger scale - to a neighborhood near you/I.

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The referendum is a charade, we'll all still be owned by the owners of this country whatever the result - why do you think they are allowing it in the first place?


You are right. In many respects it goes back to (I believe a politician) who said words to the effect of....." If you think that your vote counts - do you think that they would let you have it". The bottom line being is that we do have our problems big time - but I would be a lot happier moaning about them without fear of terrorism/serious crime/crime in general going up along with the denigration/discrimination of our own residents.It is an golden opportunity to get rid of self serving bureaucrat making up laws/rules/regulations that are messing our lives up - but not theirs. Get rid of the EU - and then sort out our own.

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
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We had multiculturalism before EU membership :wink:

Indeed, you British were world leaders in it :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: A long cold winter.
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We had multiculturalism before EU membership :wink:

Indeed, you British were world leaders in it :lol:


Not according to Dodgy Dave.


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We had multiculturalism before EU membership :wink:

Indeed, you British were world leaders in it :lol:


Not according to Dodgy Dave.


And these scum rapists all originate from countrys invaded raped and pillaged by the British :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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