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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:47 pm 
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So the question is why are we being forced to pay for compulsory CCTV ? .

Because Santa Claus doesn't exist.



For the taxi driver no , but for the suppliers of CCTV he's alive and kicking .


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:53 pm 
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With reference to the comments on the data controller . How does that work in reality . As i am the data controller for my system ( and have been for many years ) i would have to say that for the reasons cited by various authorities IE to prevent rogue drivers offending , and bearing in mind that CCTV will not prevent this , i would deem it unnecessary to have compulsory CCTV . My licencing authority (as are many others ) although reluctant to be data controller for taxi systems are the ones insisting upon it . How does that relate to the legal test you mention as they are not data controllers how can they insist on it being a licencing condition .

I disagree that CCTV will not prevent offending.

Would I call a punter a c**t if I knew I had audio on my CCTV? Would I drive like a fruitcake if I knew it was on CCTV? Most certainly not, I and many others will mend their ways.

Yes if I was a perv or a thug and I knew I was going to do perv and thug stuff, then I could tamper with the CCTV, but most of these matters aren't planned, so there is a good chance of even these getting caught.

However the only certain thing is without CCTV the pervs and the thugs, as well as the hotheads and nightmare drivers will continue.

In respect of data control, some councils act as the data controller, but I'm not sure I support that. But I do support data controllers who are drivers not being able to download their own data.

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So the question is why are we being forced to pay for compulsory CCTV ? .

Because Santa Claus doesn't exist.



For the taxi driver no , but for the suppliers of CCTV he's alive and kicking .

It depends on what system you have.

But being dead or out of work has a high cost too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:56 pm 
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As for the labeling of anyone who disagrees as having something to hide i think is somewhat unfair [-X . Too tight to buy , maybe i give you that one :wink: . I believe it to be a matter of principle , should we just roll over and accept everything regardless . I dont think we should .

Certainly not all, but some.

I have no problem with people saying they don't want it because of cost, I think they are wrong, but it's a valid argument.

What I don't agree with is people talking about civil liberties and the like.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:17 pm 
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hicab wrote:
So the question is why are we being forced to pay for compulsory CCTV ? .


Because cab drivers both PH and HC have a consistent line of abusing vulnerable people.

If you don't believe me, consult the news section.

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As I've previously said if you have CCTV and want to commit a crime you just turn the CCTV off.


I think you'll find the ones that will be fitted can't be turned off, when the car is in operation it will be recording.


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As I've previously said if you have CCTV and want to commit a crime you just turn the CCTV off.


I think you'll find the ones that will be fitted can't be turned off, when the car is in operation it will be recording.

WOT NO FUSE?

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grandad wrote:
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As I've previously said if you have CCTV and want to commit a crime you just turn the CCTV off.


I think you'll find the ones that will be fitted can't be turned off, when the car is in operation it will be recording.

WOT NO FUSE?


it'll look kind of strange a whole load of footage that suddenly goes of at the time driver is accused of rape though :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:59 am 
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WOT NO FUSE?


it'll look kind of strange a whole load of footage that suddenly goes of at the time driver is accused of rape though :wink:

Especially when the driver asks the passenger to stay in the vehicle whilst he finds the fuse. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Especially when the driver asks the passenger to stay in the vehicle whilst he finds the fuse. :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:56 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
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should we just roll over and accept everything regardless . I dont think we should .


At last someone who shares a NATURAL sentiment - WHY should we just take it? If THEY want it - then THEY should contribute/pay, instead of passing the buck.


agree, personally i would just throw a cloth over it when not working :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:19 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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As I've previously said if you have CCTV and want to commit a crime you just turn the CCTV off.


I think you'll find the ones that will be fitted can't be turned off, when the car is in operation it will be recording.

WOT NO FUSE?


The ones we used were wired direct to the ignition then wired through the dash. It turned on as soon as the key was put into the ignition.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:22 pm 
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it'll look kind of strange a whole load of footage that suddenly goes of at the time driver is accused of rape though :wink:


Don't worry it won't happen, they got round that trick back in 2005 when we had ours fitted.


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All very interesting comments on this but to put my two-penneth worth in.

There is a mockery of compulsory cctv when it is enforced on to the trade in one area and yet the adjoining area may not have it. This is especially the case where there is cross boarder hiring where vehicles of working in each others areas.

This is especially an important issue where london licensed uber drivers are working in others areas. And there is no compulsory cctv for the london trade, only voluntary cctv where you can be your own data controller.

Regardless of anyone's personal view I think it is now time for national legislation on the use of cctv in the trade so councils and the trades know exactly where they stand.

I know of one area that is trying to bring compulsory cctv that is insisting that only HD quality can be used. why would this be? Are there any rules on using cctv in pubs and clubs for such conditions? Additionally can the council enforce audio on pub and club cctv conditions of licensing where is audio not used?

I dont know but perhaps someone on here does know?

The real reason why councils are enforcing compulsory cctv on the trade is because they can by virtue having the ability to chop and change local licensing conditions whenever they want to.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:39 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

Sometimes drivers need protecting from themselves. Or are we saying seatbelts/abs and air-bags should be an option?



Seatbelts , ABS and Air bags actually do solve the problem they were installed to solve , unfortunately CCTV does not . Drivers are perfectly capable of deciding what they need protecting from and what they need to do to achieve that protection .


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