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 Post subject: Muhammad Ali
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:13 pm 
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surprised there aint been a post on this fella since he passed, great sportsman, horrific racist, Said blacks and whites shouldn't integrate/marry, amongst other things, everyone has conveniently forgot this, now hes passed :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:25 pm 
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ven2112 wrote:
surprised there aint been a post on this fella since he passed, great sportsman, horrific racist, Said blacks and whites shouldn't integrate/marry, amongst other things, everyone has conveniently forgot this, now hes passed :roll:



Wife beater.


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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Nidge2 wrote:
ven2112 wrote:
surprised there aint been a post on this fella since he passed, great sportsman, horrific racist, Said blacks and whites shouldn't integrate/marry, amongst other things, everyone has conveniently forgot this, now hes passed :roll:



Wife beater.


didn't know that like, i do know hes a massive racist though :wink: If Ali was in his prime today then he would be a radical Muslim's dream,
i actually don't know if he changed his name because he was a coward or he was genuine? a lot of men didn't want to go to nam tbh, was it really on conscientious grounds?? What seems a little ironic is that Ali joined a religion that was mostly founded on violence and death. That is, the war he opposed was no worse than that indulged in by the Prophet he chose to follow. Double standard or what?


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:20 pm 
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He was an entertainer and a sportsman which is why most will look beyond his shortcomings

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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:31 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
He was an entertainer and a sportsman which is why most will look beyond his shortcomings


hmmm.... you ok with that then ? you ok with elvis noncing 14 year olds because he was a superstar, jerry lee etc...?? tbf fooking Right up until Jimmy saville snuffed it he was better known for raising millions for charity than his noncing


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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ven2112 wrote:
edders23 wrote:
He was an entertainer and a sportsman which is why most will look beyond his shortcomings


hmmm.... you ok with that then ? you ok with elvis noncing 14 year olds because he was a superstar, jerry lee etc...?? tbf fooking Right up until Jimmy saville snuffed it he was better known for raising millions for charity than his noncing


He seems a bit racist to me, but there you go :wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAEVt8P9MJc


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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read my words carefully you are misinterpreting them ! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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edders23 wrote:
read my words carefully you are misinterpreting them ! :wink:


ah , so you concur ?


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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muhammed ali was not racist, he was expressing the views of the brotherhood of islam. If you read his autobiography by thomas hauser, it states this. You have remember, this was in the 1960s, when there was segregation between black and whites. what why you had the civil rights movement. His trainer was angelo dungee, white and jewish.
the gym where he started his boxing career was run by white people. the reason he did not fight in vietnam, was because he believed the war was wrong. which it was.

he was a boxer, but he was also a humanitarian, and gave his time and money to help the poorer people in the world. he never sought praise or claim for this. There are countless stories of his generosity. one boxing opponent had his purse for a fight stolen. Ali heard about this and gave him some money equivalent to the purse. A boy was dying from cancer, and requested to see muhammed ali. He flew a great distance, at his own expense to see this boy. He was known to give 100 dollar bills to people on the street.


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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He was a traitorous bastard as he turned to the cult of death Islam so he didn't have to fight in the Vietnam war.

Do you remember these words that came out of his mouth? All Jews and whites are devils...Blacks are no devils..Everything the black people are doing wrong comes from the white people. Drinking, smoking, prostitution, homosexuality, stealing, gambling. It all comes from the white people.


President Obama
"Ali was a a great man who fought for what was right"
Really!?
Ali:
A man, who up to the time he became 'punch-drunk' badly ill-treated & abused women.
Conveniently discovered 'religion' just as he was drafted into the USA military.
Cowardly dodged the draft, citing that as a devoted follower of ISLAM & MOSLEM he could only go to war for ALLAH.
Joined, helped finance & supported the openly anti USA, anti White, anti Western cult of NATION OF ISLAM.
I am just about old enough to remember the newspaper headlines & tv NEWS bulletins of his cowardice in turning his back on the country that afforded him the OPPORTUNITY to become World Champion, wealth beyond his dreams & unimaginable fame.
The asininity of the people knows no bounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:52 pm 
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edwardevans wrote:
muhammed ali was not racist, :shock:


Can you please explain to me if you think the quotes below are not racist, or, if you accept they are racist, & that its still ok for him to say them because he was a good fighter?

Muhammad Ali on integration:

"We who follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad (leader of the Nation of Islam) don't want to be forced to integrate. Integration is wrong. We don't want to live with the white man"

Muhammad Ali on intermarriage:

"No intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right black mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters."

Muhammad Ali on the need for a separate black homeland:

"You got the white racists who believe in separation such as I believe: One day the black people of America must go to self, clean up self, help self, do for self. I recognize [the white racists]."

"Black and white are disagreeable in peace, they can't get along together… Worked 400 years, 16 hours a day from sun up to sun down, without a payday, that we should now be repaid. Don't give us nuttn and give us or repay us: You got 50 states and we make up 10% of the population then divide up 10% of the land… Now that we're no longer slaves and we can't get along just let me go and live by myself."

Muhammad Ali on homosexuality:

"All Jews and gentiles are devils… Blacks are no devils… Everything black people doing wrong comes from [the white people]: Drinking, smoking, prostitution, homosexuality, stealing, gambling: It all comes from [the white people]"

Muhammad Ali on killing blacks for having relationships with whites:

In an interview with Playboy Ali said "A black man should be killed if he's messing with a white woman." When the interviewer asked about black women crossing the colour barrier, Ali responded: "Then she dies. Kill her, too."
The Playboy journalist, who interviewed the boxer, was closer to the mark when he observed of his subject: "You're beginning to sound like a carbon copy of a white racist."

http://www.heavyweightblog.com/262/crit ... -is-racism


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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"He was a traitorous bastard as he turned to the cult of death Islam so he didn't have to fight in the Vietnam war."

don't hold back will you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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He moved like a Butterfly and stung like a bee

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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
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read the books by thomas hauser. ali was not a racist. He made those comments in the sixties. a young ignorant man. his views changed by the end of the decade. his trainer was angelo dundee, jewish and white. his comments where based on the fact that the black man in america, in the 1960s, had no right. there was a movement called the civil rights movements who campaigned for equality.

ali was a member of the brotherhood of islam, i think they are called that. they believe in using violence to achieve their political beliefs. So does the USA,IRAN, CHINA RUSSIA.

Ali never became a muslim to avoid the war. after he beat sonny listen in 1964, he changed his name from cassius clay to muhammed ali. They tried to induct into the army in 1967, but he failed. the american military changed the criteria to gain more soldiers. and ail was inducted. he refused to fight because, he believed the war was wrong. they stripped him of the right to box, until 1970 when he was allowed to box again. by this time the american people were against the war.

you know nothing of ali. read the book by thomas hauser, to gain an understanding of the person, not some comments he made in the 1960s, when a young ignorant man. still ignorance is bliss. ali said when you reach 40 and still think there way you did when young, you have wasted 20 years of your life.

quotes from nidge2

badly ill-treated & abused women - wheres the proof.
Conveniently discovered 'religion' just as he was drafted into the USA military - became muslim well before induction

quotes from ven2112.

all jews and jentiles are devils. his trainer angelo dundde was white and jewish.

ali is idolised by millions. you have your views, I have mine.


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 Post subject: Re: Muhammad Ali
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:02 pm 
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you have your views, I have mine

well, not views as such, more fact, i seen the vids on youtube about him meeting the kkk amongst other things


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