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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:57 am 
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Per Maurice:

"Got it slow boy! I said a street hiring."

Quite right Maurice, that was the first thing I noticed about your post, you didn't say how much the circuits would charge until the matter was brought up indirectly, you were obviously hoping that no one would notice.

You also said 'most' regarding drivers kicking the meter off when the wheelchair passenger was in the cab. So how many start it before the passenger is in the cab, 49%???

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As regards 'proper' taxis generally, you'll find that where drivers have a choice 'proper' taxis are like hen's teeth, generally becasue they have absolutely nothing going for them from the drivers' point of view, uncomfortable, ugly, overpriced and expensive to run. So only a nominal number of drivers actually want a 'proper' taxi.

You're not jealous are you Maurice??

Dusty

PS The driver is a bit more secure though, which would certainly help in some places.


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Dusty Bin wrote:
As regards 'proper' taxis generally, you'll find that where drivers have a choice 'proper' taxis are like hen's teeth, generally becasue they have absolutely nothing going for them from the drivers' point of view, uncomfortable, ugly, overpriced and expensive to run. So only a nominal number of drivers actually want a 'proper' taxi.

You're not jealous are you Maurice??

Dusty

PS The driver is a bit more secure though, which would certainly help in some places.



yet over 50% OF ALL HACKNEYS ARE BUILT BT lti!

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yet over 50% OF ALL HACKNEYS ARE BUILT BT lti!
Wharfie


Which perhaps is perfect evidence of how pi** poor our trade is being led by unions and associations, and controlled by pi** poor councils.

If the best we/they can come up with is a £30,000 pile, then we deserve to be treated as we are.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:52 am 
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OX wrote:
Got it slow boy! I said a street hiring.



Quite right Maurice, that was the first thing I noticed about your post, you didn't say how much the circuits would charge until the matter was brought up indirectly, you were obviously hoping that no one would notice.

You also said 'most' regarding drivers kicking the meter off when the wheelchair passenger was in the cab. So how many start it before the passenger is in the cab, 49%???

Dusty


You ain't on the ball yourself. I said:

>>"Far from being discriminated against the disabled get a very good deal from the disabled accounts. Most of the charge comes out of the public purse. ....."<<

The Radio circuits actually offer a reduced normal rate / contract to the payees ( Councils). And a run in of £10 would be unheard of. A run in of £3.40 is the max. Seeing that the meter drops at £2 in any event what is wrong with the contractual run in? It is hardly exorbitant is it?

Now let’s get back to the original post. Nigel said that charge of £10 would accrue before the passenger’s journey commenced. This is rubbish as far as a street hiring OR radio booking is concerned.

Now you know and all you PH know that the post of Nigel’s was just a pop at the London Cab trade. Most of you did it on Fosters old list, Mick’s moribund list and now this one. Go read Nigel’s original posting and try to interpret it in any other way. Or do you hope his sentiment is lost as the thread develops?

As for you last paragraph is it really worth commenting On? Even if a driver engaged the meter when he stopped a charge of £10 would take ages to accrue on the time tarrif. No driver that I am aware of would levy such a charge if there were a difficulty in loading.

As I say just more anti London sentiment and then you wonder why you have to spend so much time deleting posts. I have seen some that arrived before they were erased. Aggreed they were not articulate and didn't bother to counter the crap in this manner, but why should they. After all they know what is going on here.

Claude :evil:



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:07 am 
Dusty Bin wrote:
As regards 'proper' taxis generally, you'll find that where drivers have a choice 'proper' taxis are like hen's teeth, generally becasue they have absolutely nothing going for them from the drivers' point of view, uncomfortable, ugly, overpriced and expensive to run. So only a nominal number of drivers actually want a 'proper' taxi.

You're not jealous are you Maurice??

Dusty

PS The driver is a bit more secure though, which would certainly help in some places.


Well you have answered a major point in your post script. Jealous? I don't think so. I would consider a Merc by Jubillee even then I would very much miss the turning circle.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:20 pm 
I was fully aware of your posting stating that it 'was for a street hiring'. That is why I challenged it because I felt it was misleading.

As for me, I'm a leech from the home counties who has been watching with interest what happens to the London trade over the last few years.

Wish I had a few million, because I'm convinced I could turn it into many over a few years.

Sorry to take this off track Moderators.


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The Radio circuits actually offer a reduced normal rate / contract to the payees ( Councils). And a run in of £10 would be unheard of. A run in of £3.40 is the max. Seeing that the meter drops at £2 in any event what is wrong with the contractual run in? It is hardly exorbitant is it?

Now let’s get back to the original post. Nigel said that charge of £10 would accrue before the passenger’s journey commenced. This is rubbish as far as a street hiring OR radio booking is concerned.


As for you last paragraph is it really worth commenting On? Even if a driver engaged the meter when he stopped a charge of £10 would take ages to accrue on the time tarrif. No driver that I am aware of would levy such a charge if there were a difficulty in loading.

As I say just more anti London sentiment and then you wonder why you have to spend so much time deleting posts. I have seen some that arrived before they were erased. Aggreed they were not articulate and didn't bother to counter the crap in this manner, but why should they. After all they know what is going on here.




Yes Maurice, problem is that I didn't mention any figures, so my analysis is not incorrect, is it??

Yes, London is not a perfect system, although you can't see that, but granted there are far bigger problems elsewhere.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:10 pm 
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I was fully aware of your posting stating that it 'was for a street hiring'. That is why I challenged it because I felt it was misleading.

As for me, I'm a leech from the home counties who has been watching with interest what happens to the London trade over the last few years.

Wish I had a few million, because I'm convinced I could turn it into many over a few years.

Sorry to take this off track Moderators.


You see this precisely what I am saying. Nigel states a self evident untruth- £10 start charge. I challenge it then the likes of you accuse ME of missleading. See no Balance.

My post was not missleading all the disabled qualifiying for the disabled account have an account card that they can use to hire a cab in the street and is administered by the radio circuit. And therefore I was not missleading.

I have a million I can let you have. Can we be partners. What is the plan?


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I wasn't talking for Nidge, what I was pointing out was that you were careful enough to originally mention only the street market, the implication being that this is not the same pricewise as the pre-booked market.

Ditto you said that in MOST street hirings the meter wouldn't be kicked off until the passenger was in the car. Therefore some would, and this could be up to 49% on your analysis, unless you wish to quantify it.

As for the million, the plan is that you can give it to me and I'll keep it. You can be a sleeping partner.

Dusty :?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:13 pm 
Dusty Bin wrote:
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The Radio circuits actually offer a reduced normal rate / contract to the payees ( Councils). And a run in of £10 would be unheard of. A run in of £3.40 is the max. Seeing that the meter drops at £2 in any event what is wrong with the contractual run in? It is hardly exorbitant is it?

Now let’s get back to the original post. Nigel said that charge of £10 would accrue before the passenger’s journey commenced. This is rubbish as far as a street hiring OR radio booking is concerned.


As for you last paragraph is it really worth commenting On? Even if a driver engaged the meter when he stopped a charge of £10 would take ages to accrue on the time tarrif. No driver that I am aware of would levy such a charge if there were a difficulty in loading.

As I say just more anti London sentiment and then you wonder why you have to spend so much time deleting posts. I have seen some that arrived before they were erased. Aggreed they were not articulate and didn't bother to counter the crap in this manner, but why should they. After all they know what is going on here.




Yes Maurice, problem is that I didn't mention any figures, so my analysis is not incorrect, is it??

Yes, London is not a perfect system, although you can't see that, but granted there are far bigger problems elsewhere.

Dusty


What analysis? Oh this one;- "you didn't say how much the circuits would charge until the matter was brought up indirectly, you were obviously hoping that no one would notice. "

So no your analysis was not correct you and Slow Ox assumed I had something to hide something that would make Nigel's £10 start correct. Well you were wrong.

Nothing is perfect I know that I have never said that London Taxi drivers are perfect. As a passenger I had a less than perfect one, as regards attitude, just the other week, but they are as perfect as any trade and any profession and more perfect than most.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:13 pm 
Dusty Bin wrote:
I wasn't talking for Nidge, what I was pointing out was that you were careful enough to originally mention only the street market, the implication being that this is not the same pricewise as the pre-booked market.

Ditto you said that in MOST street hirings the meter wouldn't be kicked off until the passenger was in the car. Therefore some would, and this could be up to 49% on your analysis, unless you wish to quantify it.

As for the million, the plan is that you can give it to me and I'll keep it. You can be a sleeping partner.

Dusty :?


Ditto nothing. I did not say "Most steet hirings" I said:

>>"Most drivers I know on a street hiring do not engage the meter until he / she has helped the passenger into the cab and the flag drop would be £2. "<<

Do you think I know 51% of London Drivers ( some 14000 ) :oops:

Analyse and quantify that!

From past dealings I know you cannot bare to be made out to be wrong. So wriggle away. :oops: :oops:

I expect you to try and save your blushes and think up some thing like-"well how many do you know, 30 maybe?" then my ananlysis is that humpty thump thousand could be putting the meter On etc etc"

There you are I have thought it up for you. Then I would say:

"No you are wrong as I could use the most of the 30 and use Statisical Sampling Theory (Small Sample Inferential Statistics) to extrapolate to the whole population."

You see you do not have to use the whole population to get an accurate outcome. :oops: :oops:

Go on. I'm waiting.

Claude :evil:
BTW the million offer was to Slow Ox you have taken to answering up for him. Not an alias is it? :oops:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:21 pm 
The plan is simple.

Acknowledge what the major spenders on cabs in London want.

And give it to them.

The spenders, the major corporates.

What they want, a combination of Hacks, PH's and Executive Cars.

They can at present go out and buy each individually, but then they end up with duplication and rocketing costs.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:37 pm 
Sorry Maurice, I gave up spending much time on your posts since the the old days of the Taxi Forums UK.

You said:

"Most drivers I know on a street hiring do not engage the meter until he / she has helped the passenger into the cab and the flag drop would be £2. "

So only a minority of drivers that you know would engage the meter, so is that representative of all the others or not?

If you don't know, why are you telling us about a handful of drivers when the thread was about London drivers generally?

Assuming the ones that you know are more charitable than the majority you don't know, this presumably means that MOST of the ones that you don't know could engage the meter beforehand?

No wriggling with me Maurice, if I'm wrong, as I often am, I say so, if not, I don't.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:39 pm 
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BTW the million offer was to Slow Ox you have taken to answering up for him. Not an alias is it? :oops:


No Maurice, Joe, Hot Wheels, Claude, Wicksy, etc etc etc too numerous to mention, I thought it was you :oops: :oops: :oops:

Dusty


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