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 Post subject: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:25 am 
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Hi,
I've just joined this forum, but have been a reader for a while now.

I'd just like to ask a question about, what probably most of you are sick of hearing about now, Uber In Cardiff.

They have been in Cardiff approx 2 months now and there wasn't much uptake from Cardiff Drivers, so now they have employed from all the local councils, Merthyr, Caerphilly Bridgend and Newport licensed cars have all been seen working with uber signs on in Cardiff. To anybody in the know, is this legal?

These other councils have different criteria to Cardiff in cars, ie no age limits and privacy glass allowed where as in Cardiff it isn't. Also they don't have to pass the same badge tests that we do ie local knowledge and routes.

Cardiff council don't seem interested in any questions to them about this, and the local press aren't either as I know a few drivers who have contacted them and not a single reply.

Is this a normal tactic by uber, and is there any defence against it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.


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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:09 pm 
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If UBER take a booking in their Cardiff office they can subcontract this booking to any other private hire OPERATOR they choose. Since the deregulation act came into force last year this OPERATOR that they subcontract to can be from any district in England and Wales. Whether it is cost effective for that OPERATOR to send their cars to Cardiff is a matter for them. UBER can't subcontract to a DRIVER from another district unless that DRIVER also has an OPERATORS license.

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:18 pm 
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supermario wrote:
Hi,
I've just joined this forum, but have been a reader for a while now.

I'd just like to ask a question about, what probably most of you are sick of hearing about now, Uber In Cardiff.

They have been in Cardiff approx 2 months now and there wasn't much uptake from Cardiff Drivers, so now they have employed from all the local councils, Merthyr, Caerphilly Bridgend and Newport licensed cars have all been seen working with uber signs on in Cardiff. To anybody in the know, is this legal?

These other councils have different criteria to Cardiff in cars, ie no age limits and privacy glass allowed where as in Cardiff it isn't. Also they don't have to pass the same badge tests that we do ie local knowledge and routes.

Cardiff council don't seem interested in any questions to them about this, and the local press aren't either as I know a few drivers who have contacted them and not a single reply.

Is this a normal tactic by uber, and is there any defence against it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.




Hi, What you are witnessing imo, providing a private hire and hackney service to the public is always evolving. We are at the moment at the next page of the book of life where ph is changing into something different from the past. It is my understanding that it is totally legal for drivers from one area to be given jobs in another area through using an app. It doesn't necessarily have to be uber, it can be any ph company that expands into different areas. It is obvious that over the next few years many problems are going to arise, the first being which council has authority over which vehicle when it is in a different area. Will the public still be safe?
The second obvious problem will arise when drivers realise there is no reason for them to be licenced in a city when they can move to another borough and operate at a reduced cost. The consequences then to the council will probably be a loss of revenue coming to them i.e. the city, which in turn will force them to increase their licencing fees, which in turn will encourage drivers to look for somewhere cheaper.

You will have natural wastage of drivers but new drivers will be pointed in the direction of what is cheapest and easiest for them. Standards for hackneys will remain but the standards for ph will be lost in the fog of confusion this will cause.

Who will lose out? The general public. Who will lose control? The city councils. Who eventually will be placed in the position of take it or leave it? The drivers.

Parliament needs to relook at how these apps work and how they will affect the councils and the public in
the future. What is for certain is that before or if this is sorted out the big fish will eat up a lot of the little fish, and the likes of granddad will find it harder and harder to survive. IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:54 pm 
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grandad wrote:
If UBER take a booking in their Cardiff office they can subcontract this booking to any other private hire OPERATOR they choose. Since the deregulation act came into force last year this OPERATOR that they subcontract to can be from any district in England and Wales. Whether it is cost effective for that OPERATOR to send their cars to Cardiff is a matter for them. UBER can't subcontract to a DRIVER from another district unless that DRIVER also has an OPERATORS license.


Clue..You..He.. are ringing a APP..where is the APP...

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:11 pm 
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From what I gather, they are only taking Hackney licensed drivers and vehicles from other councils, but won't employ Cardiff licensed Hackney carriages??


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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:47 pm 
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supermario wrote:
is this legal?

Possibly.

As long as they have operator licenses for those districts.

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 5:49 pm 
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supermario wrote:
From what I gather, they are only taking Hackney licensed drivers and vehicles from other councils, but won't employ Cardiff licensed Hackney carriages??

They can do the above, and as those hackneys are from outside their local area they can deal with the surge issue.

However if Cardiff punters want to play roulette on getting home correctly, then more fool them.

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:29 pm 
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Could this sub letting to companies be what the company I was working with in Cardiff were talking about recently.

They told all their drivers on their weekly admin sheets that they had signed a contract with Addison lee and it was going to bring lots of work,and that's all the information they gave,?


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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:38 pm 
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Uber started operating 2 years back in Manchester City with an operaters licence granted by Manchester City Council. Since then they have obtained a licence from All 10 boroughs of Greater Manchester i.e Bolton,Bury Manchester, Oldham,Rochdale,Salford,Stockport,Tameside,Trafford and Wigan
The drivers can and do pick up from anywhere tat they get a rider booking on the App....The favourite pick up area is Central Manchester around the train station...so yes in my view the days of Hackneys are numbered as they cannot compete on costs alone...like someone said drivers will move to cheapest licensing areas and operate across the whole area....but then licensing units will disappear with them as they will not have any drivers paying any fees to them !
Hackney vehicles licensed by Rossendale council already work in greater Manchester in large numbers !
As far as enforcement goes, Manchester council say they have no powers to check drivers/vehicles not licensed by them so all the more reason to do so.....


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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
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cheshirebest wrote:
As far as enforcement goes, Manchester council say they have no powers to check drivers/vehicles not licensed by them so all the more reason to do so.....

Do they have powers to check an unlicensed vehicle suspected of acting as a taxi?

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
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''Do they have powers to check an unlicensed vehicle suspected of acting as a taxi?''

Yes they do but the only time Licensing are out is when something goes wrong...An assault on a female and they are out in force for some weeks with police...mostly harassing genuine drivers who are easy prey then it's back to normal till the next incidence !


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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:09 pm 
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cheshirebest wrote:
''Do they have powers to check an unlicensed vehicle suspected of acting as a taxi?''

Yes they do but the only time Licensing are out is when something goes wrong...An assault on a female and they are out in force for some weeks with police...mostly harassing genuine drivers who are easy prey then it's back to normal till the next incidence !

What is the difference between an unlicensed vehicle and a vehicle out of it's area. I would treat it as an unlicensed vehicle for my area.

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
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grandad wrote:
What is the difference between an unlicensed vehicle and a vehicle out of it's area. I would treat it as an unlicensed vehicle for my area.

A licensed vehicle out of area is still a licensed vehicle, albeit out of area.

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:04 pm 
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grandad wrote:
cheshirebest wrote:
''Do they have powers to check an unlicensed vehicle suspected of acting as a taxi?''

Yes they do but the only time Licensing are out is when something goes wrong...An assault on a female and they are out in force for some weeks with police...mostly harassing genuine drivers who are easy prey then it's back to normal till the next incidence !

What is the difference between an unlicensed vehicle and a vehicle out of it's area. I would treat it as an unlicensed vehicle for my area.



Are you saying that when you go East Midlands chaosport you are not licensed ?

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 Post subject: Re: uber Cardiff
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:24 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
grandad wrote:
cheshirebest wrote:
''Do they have powers to check an unlicensed vehicle suspected of acting as a taxi?''

Yes they do but the only time Licensing are out is when something goes wrong...An assault on a female and they are out in force for some weeks with police...mostly harassing genuine drivers who are easy prey then it's back to normal till the next incidence !

What is the difference between an unlicensed vehicle and a vehicle out of it's area. I would treat it as an unlicensed vehicle for my area.



Are you saying that when you go East Midlands chaosport you are not licensed ?

No, I am saying that I see no reason why my vehicle can't be checked by an officer if I am in their area.

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