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Yes JD I have got "a clue" do you think it is right that nobody is consulted about an issue as important as this, so much for all the drivel you wrote about equality then eh?


I don't know about you personally William, but didn't the STF make a submission to the OFT investigation?

Didn't the Scottish Executive consult on the OFT's recommendations?

Won't CEC consult if it's minded to de-limit, unless of course some legal obligation means that it has no option?

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Maybe one of those people who see taxis as a job, I have always thought of it as a business, you pays your money and takes your chance, if it does not work for you, move on.



Well there are presumably over 2,000 taxi jockies/journeymen in Edinburgh who don't own a vehicle? I suspect they see what they're doing as a job rather than a business, so I'm unsure as to why you seem so surprised at the situation.

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Yes JD I have got "a clue" do you think it is right that nobody is consulted about an issue as important as this, so much for all the drivel you wrote about equality then eh?


I don't know about you personally William, but didn't the STF make a submission to the OFT investigation?

Didn't the Scottish Executive consult on the OFT's recommendations?

Won't CEC consult if it's minded to de-limit, unless of course some legal obligation means that it has no option?


Seems you don't know much about anything other than manipulating the settings on this forum, lowest form really :roll:

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£300 or £42.85 per night, thats okay, thing is if he did not want to have it for seven nights why did he not get a shorter rental?



Some want you to pay for seven but know you will only work 5-6 nights £50-£60 a night after fuel £80+ a night and thats before you make a buck for yourself.


William I would burn you at the stake.


Are you saying some want to pay for nights they don't work :shock: are you nuts :lol: , or is it them?

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"The legislation applies to “undertakings”. These are defined in the Directive and the Regulations as “a public or private undertaking carrying out an economic activity, whether or not operating for gain”.

I dont know about that JD, and no I dont think anyone employs me, but we are involved in an undertaking, in my dictionary the word, undertaking is defined as "Enter upon an activity or enterprise" or "Any piece of work that is undertaken or attempted" so if as you say it does not cover Taxi drivers, it should.


The directive applies to employer/employee relationships. The employer is defined in terms of an 'undertaking'. Thus CEC would probably be bound by the regulations in terms of the people who work for it (officials, office staff etc), but clearly not anyone in the taxi trade.

The directive would be relevant in the trade to the extent that some taxi firms employ drivers, but for the vast majority of the trade that's simply not the case. And even if it did apply, it would only be relevant to the taxi firms insofar as they need to consult with the taxi drivers they employ.

Thus the only possible relevance of the directive would be if the Government legilated to deem the taxi owner/driver relationship to be one of empoyer/employee rather than the usual self-employed scenario (an alternative might be for a court case that held that the current self-employment scenario actually amounted to an employer/employee relationship).

To that extent the only possible application of the directive would be in relation to you, William, as an undertaking employing drivers in which case they would also be entitled to the minimum wage, paid holidays, paternity leave etc, in which case you would be foaming at the mouth.

So I would keep quiet about it if I was you :-$

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... but the fact remains JD nobody has to lift the limit on plates in Scotland...


But the fact also remains that no public authority in Scotland, England or indeed the whole world has to limit taxi numbers.

The big question is whether, in principle, it's right or wrong. And for me it's most certainly the latter. :)


Thats quite simply because you think everyone is like a can of beans, you are the epitomy of "shallow" (and dishonesty of course), whats the bet you spend time in the pub telling everyone how much your house has gained in value, if only you were just thick :roll: ,
Mind you it's a bit f.uckin rich of you talkin "principles" :lol: :lol:

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"The legislation applies to “undertakings”. These are defined in the Directive and the Regulations as “a public or private undertaking carrying out an economic activity, whether or not operating for gain”.

I dont know about that JD, and no I dont think anyone employs me, but we are involved in an undertaking, in my dictionary the word, undertaking is defined as "Enter upon an activity or enterprise" or "Any piece of work that is undertaken or attempted" so if as you say it does not cover Taxi drivers, it should.


The directive applies to employer/employee relationships. The employer is defined in terms of an 'undertaking'. Thus CEC would probably be bound by the regulations in terms of the people who work for it (officials, office staff etc), but clearly not anyone in the taxi trade.

The directive would be relevant in the trade to the extent that some taxi firms employ drivers, but for the vast majority of the trade that's simply not the case. And even if it did apply, it would only be relevant to the taxi firms insofar as they need to consult with the taxi drivers they employ.

Thus the only possible relevance of the directive would be if the Government legilated to deem the taxi owner/driver relationship to be one of empoyer/employee rather than the usual self-employed scenario (an alternative might be for a court case that held that the current self-employment scenario actually amounted to an employer/employee relationship).

To that extent the only possible application of the directive would be in relation to you, William, as an undertaking employing drivers in which case they would also be entitled to the minimum wage, paid holidays, paternity leave etc, in which case you would be foaming at the mouth.
So I would keep quiet about it if I was you :-$


My point about you exactly.. :lol: :lol:

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Seems you don't know much about anything other than manipulating the settings on this forum, lowest form really :roll:


If that's the extent of your answer then I suspect it's you that knows nothing Mr RCFF, watch and learn mate :wink:

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Seems you don't know much about anything other than manipulating the settings on this forum, lowest form really :roll:


If that's the extent of your answer then I suspect it's you that knows nothing Mr RCFF, watch and learn mate :wink:


I am watching very carefully, but nowt is happening, trouble is if you want something to happen YOU and your f.uckin idiots will have to come thru us :lol: :lol: or, IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Realcabforceforum wrote:
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... but the fact remains JD nobody has to lift the limit on plates in Scotland...


But the fact also remains that no public authority in Scotland, England or indeed the whole world has to limit taxi numbers.

The big question is whether, in principle, it's right or wrong. And for me it's most certainly the latter. :)


Thats quite simply because you think everyone is like a can of beans, you are the epitomy of "shallow" (and dishonesty of course), whats the bet you spend time in the pub telling everyone how much your house has gained in value, if only you were just thick :roll: ,
Mind you it's a bit f.uckin rich of you talkin "principles" :lol: :lol:

So you aren't addressing the point yet again? :-$

Your kind are are all of a type. Talk a lot of hot air, but make no sense. Talk about PMs, when your trade is liable to change. Ignore the point at hand, when you haven't the brains to debate.

In short, you have got to be a senior member of the T&G or it's name-sake up there. :lol: :lol:

Still, if TDO wasn't p***ing the likes of you off, then it wouldn't be doing one of the things it was set up to do. So thank you very much for the compliment. =D>

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I am watching very carefully, but nowt is happening, trouble is if you want something to happen YOU and your f.uckin idiots will have to come thru us :lol: :lol: or, IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If that's the best the defenders of Edinburgh taxi quotas can do, then Mr Skull and Co are bang on winners. :lol: :lol:

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Sussex wrote:
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TDO wrote:
William Maitland wrote:
... but the fact remains JD nobody has to lift the limit on plates in Scotland...


But the fact also remains that no public authority in Scotland, England or indeed the whole world has to limit taxi numbers.

The big question is whether, in principle, it's right or wrong. And for me it's most certainly the latter. :)


Thats quite simply because you think everyone is like a can of beans, you are the epitomy of "shallow" (and dishonesty of course), whats the bet you spend time in the pub telling everyone how much your house has gained in value, if only you were just thick :roll: ,
Mind you it's a bit f.uckin rich of you talkin "principles" :lol: :lol:

So you aren't addressing the point yet again? :-$

Your kind are are all of a type. Talk a lot of hot air, but make no sense. Talk about PMs, when your trade is liable to change. Ignore the point at hand, when you haven't the brains to debate.

In short, you have got to be a senior member of the T&G or it's name-sake up there. :lol: :lol:

Still, if TDO wasn't p***ing the likes of you off, then it wouldn't be doing one of the things it was set up to do. So thank you very much for the compliment. =D>


This post proves what you are thinking about "suffex" :lol: as for "tdo" and the arstwhile "jd" , it's obvious by their recent actions who are p.issing themselves :lol: ,you can stop hiding your posts "jd", we got them all :wink:

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Realcabforceforum wrote:
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£300 or £42.85 per night, thats okay, thing is if he did not want to have it for seven nights why did he not get a shorter rental?



Some want you to pay for seven but know you will only work 5-6 nights £50-£60 a night after fuel £80+ a night and thats before you make a buck for yourself.


William I would burn you at the stake.


Are you saying some want to pay for nights they don't work :shock: are you nuts :lol: , or is it them?




No, it's people like you who see the opportunity of a free lunch trying to make something look more of a benefit than it is and feeling justified in doing so.


It goes something like this "you can have the taxi for seven nights for £300 but if you don't work seven then that's not my problem, it's available and up to you if you want to work it or not" then the plate holder walks away convincing himself he did you a favour while not considering the extra rental money he is getting is for nights you didn't work and the taxi sitting at the door.


What a good guy?


You know the type, a bit like you.

Now here's anther scenario, driver gets plate £700 puts on taxi TXII say 2-3 years old and works 4 nights on the street, Thur, Fri, Sat, Sun while paying say £250 a month for the hp on the vehicle. Add in the running costs insurance, maintenance and repairs etc. Remembering the vehicle is single shifted and the owner is getting the best nights out of his taxi with almost unlimited hours in the premium shifts.

Just a bit better than paying £1200 for some dickhead who knows you can't work the hours you are paying for.


No 45k plate problem either, it just gets better and better. :wink:

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Realcabforceforum wrote:
This post proves what you are thinking about "suffex" :lol: as for "tdo" and the arstwhile "jd" , it's obvious by their recent actions who are p.issing themselves :lol: ,you can stop hiding your posts "jd", we got them all :wink:

So Mr Ever so Clever what's wrong with Mr Skull's newsletter?

Or do you think it's spot on? :D

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Sussex wrote:
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This post proves what you are thinking about "suffex" :lol: as for "tdo" and the arstwhile "jd" , it's obvious by their recent actions who are p.issing themselves :lol: ,you can stop hiding your posts "jd", we got them all :wink:

So Mr Ever so Clever what's wrong with Mr Skull's newsletter?

Or do you think it's spot on? :D


Well, what's wrong with it is obvious "suffex", it's just another sad and wasted attempt at smearing those in authority, similar to what you do, it will be read by few and discarded by most and more importantly dismissed by all.

Something in common with yours , "tgo" and "jd" posts on here :lol: :lol:

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