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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:08 am 
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the London law is different - they allow non licensed drivers to drive whilst 'off duty' - according to steve wright mbe, of the LPHCA theres never been a problem - but I think he's retarded.


So basically I could drive your London licensed private hire off duty, but I could still do private hire work as it's unlikely I'll get caught, and even if I have an accident I could say I am captain cab himself?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:09 am 
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There is a chap in my patch that had weekly insurance because during the summer he is an ice cream man. His car was always plated but not always insured for hir and reward. I don;t know if this is still the case.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:05 am 
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So basically I could drive your London licensed private hire off duty, but I could still do private hire work as it's unlikely I'll get caught, and even if I have an accident I could say I am captain cab himself?


You could also drive a licensed London taxi - unless the law has changed down there, but I don't think it has.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:32 am 
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Uber urges TfL to drop plans to make drivers do written English test


Requirement for drivers from non-English-speaking countries to pass £200 exam may put thousands out of business, says firm

Uber has urged Transport for London to drop new requirements for drivers to pass a written English exam, saying thousands could be put out of business.

From 1 October, anyone from a non-English-speaking country who applies to TfL for a private car hire licence or to renew an existing licence will have to prove that they have passed an exam in English.

Initial proposals called for proficiency only in spoken English, but updated plans from TfL include a requirement to pass a two-hour written exam as well, which will cost £200 to sit.

Uber London’s general manager, Tom Elvidge, called on users of the ride-hailing app to write to the London mayor, Sadiq Khan. Elvidge said the new system would threaten the livelihood of thousands of drivers.

Sample papers for the exams include an “extended writing” task in which candidates are asked to write a short essay.

One question reads: “Write an essay (100-130 words) for your teacher about a festival in a country you know.”

Another reads: “A friend in another town is going to study at your college and wants to know about the college rules. Write a letter to your friend (100-130 words).”

In his email to Uber users, Elvidge said the exam demands a higher level of English than the British citizenship test, which only asks for speaking and listening skills.

The requirement also exceeds the level demanded of government employees in “customer-facing roles”, such as a teaching assistant or someone answering the phone in a local authority office.

The private care hire licence test is B1 level, also known as entry level 3, or the level of achievement that the national curriculum expects from nine- to 11-year-olds.

Adults with skills below entry level 3 may not be able to understand price labels on pre-packaged food or pay household bills, according to the business ministry.

The requirements from TfL build on proposals set out last year by the then London mayor, Boris Johnson. Johnson dropped some of the most rigorous proposals, such as charging operators more for a minicab licence or enforcing a minimum five-minute period between ordering a cab and starting the journey.

After TfL’s surprise decision to require a written English qualification, Uber is asking users to copy and paste prepared text into an email and send it to Khan’s office.

It reads: “I agree with you that it’s vital London remains open and that everybody has the chance to succeed, whatever their background. However, I’m concerned that new rules from Transport for London will threaten the livelihoods of thousands of licensed private hire drivers in our city.

“Forcing all drivers from non-English-speaking countries to pass a £200 two-hour written English exam goes way beyond what’s needed to help Londoners get from A to B.”

TfL said: “These changes are being introduced to raise standards in London’s private hire industry, improving safety and convenience for customers.”

Uber also wants TfL to reconsider plans to force drivers to hold “hire and reward” commercial insurance all year round, even if they only work during set periods such as school term times.

It also wants the transport body to reconsider requirements, already in force, that say “operators must inform TfL of any changes to the operating model of their business before they are made”.

Uber says this forces it to notify TfL every time it updates its app, such as adding new payment methods, something it says will slow down the rollout of new features.

A spokesperson for Khan said: “Sadiq is determined to create a vibrant taxi and private hire market, with space for all providers to flourish, while driving up standards by introducing a comprehensive package of measures that will improve safety and the quality of service offered to all Londoners.”

source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... xam-london

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:23 am 
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All licensing Authorities should have this as part of the criteria to enable an application for a drivers license to be made.

If you cannot read,write or speak ENGLISH to a given standard it should be an automatic refusal.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:35 pm 
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All licensing Authorities should have this as part of the criteria to enable an application for a drivers license to be made.

If you cannot read,write or speak ENGLISH to a given standard it should be an automatic refusal.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:08 am 
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Do Uber drivers in London need to pass a written English test? Uber doesn't think so

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Private hire drivers in London will be required to pass a written and spoken English test beginning October 1.

Regulations set to hit London in October would require Uber drivers to pass a written English test, and Uber is not having it.

The rules, imposed by Transport for London, would require private hire drivers from non-English speaking countries to pass an intermediate-level English language test that covers speaking, listening, reading and writing skills. Drivers would have to pass the test, equivalent to the national curriculum for 9 to 11 year olds, whether they are applying for a new license or renewing an old one.

Uber says the regulations are onerous and unfairly penalize drivers who only need spoken English to do their jobs. The company supports the requirement for a spoken English test, a version of which is already mandated, but objects to the written portion.

"Uber has already invested £100 [million] in London - and we plan to invest even more in the future," Uber London General Manager Tom Elvidge wrote in an email Monday to all London users. "But bureaucratic new rules from Transport for London send the opposite message and threaten the livelihood of thousands of drivers."

Uber claims the new test is harder than what's required for British citizenship or for public sector employees. It also says only 0.5 percent of rider feedback in July was about poor English skills.

The regulations have already been approved, so Uber is asking London users to "ask the new mayor to look again at TfL’s plans." Uber is linking its request with Mayor Sadiq Khan's pro-immigration and pro-refugee policies.

The countries of origin exempt to the upcoming requirement include: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, New Zealand, Ireland, St. Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago and the United States.

source: http://mashable.com/2016/08/10/uber-lon ... vf0j0QFOqD

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:09 am 
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"Uber has already invested £100 [million] in London - and we plan to invest even more in the future,"



That's a lot of money - I wonder if they can prove it?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:06 am 
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"Uber has already invested £100 [million] in London - and we plan to invest even more in the future,"



That's a lot of money - I wonder if they can prove it?


No doubt it includes the money "invested" by their partners to purchase and license vehicles the rest will be payments to political parties and technology installed in Holland on behalf of london :wink:

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TfL defends English test rules amid Uber complaints



Uber complained that the rules would put drivers out of work

Transport bosses have defended new regulations requiring private hire drivers to pass a test in English, following criticism from Uber.

The company said the exam would put drivers out of work.

From 1 October, Transport for London (TfL) will require the qualification of licence applicants from countries where English is not the majority language.

The new rules will apply to anyone seeking a new licence or a licence renewal.

Initial proposals had called for only proficiency in spoken English, but the final draft requires, among other criteria, at least an intermediate language qualification.

Besides the spoken portion, the exam also tests reading, writing and listening skills.

It is referred to as the "B1" level on the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages.

Someone who passes will have the "ability to express oneself in a limited way in familiar situations and to deal in a general way with non-routine information", the framework says.

'Threatened livelihoods'

Uber said it supported the need for drivers to pass a spoken exam but the requirement to pass a written English exam would "threaten the livelihood of thousands of drivers".

In an email to users calling on them to write to the London Mayor, Sadiq Khan, Uber's general manager in London, Tom Elvidge, said: "Fewer drivers will mean longer waiting times or no cars when you need them most."

He also said the B1 qualification would demand more of applicants than the British citizenship test.

In addition, Mr Elvidge said TfL's new rules were more stringent than those the government applied to employees who interacted with the public as part of their duties.

Helen Chapman, TfL's general manager of taxi and private hire, said they were "working to modernise and improve standards in London's private hire industry" and it was appropriate for an English language requirement to apply to private hire drivers.

A TfL spokesman said it was presumed that to pass the black cab drivers' "Knowledge" exam, applicants would need a much higher proficiency in English than the intermediate level to be required of private hire drivers.

source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37038864

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It's an interesting business model Uber are following.

Contacting customers to ask them to support keeping standards low.

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i AM AMAZED THAT SADIQ HAS BIT THE BULLET .......................PREDICTION 40.000 DRIVERS LEAVE THE INDUSTRY IN LONDON =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

TO THE REST OF YOU YOKELS LONDON LEADS AGAIN =D> =D> =D> WHAT YER WAITING FOR #-o

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Sussex wrote:
It's an interesting business model Uber are following.

Contacting customers to ask them to support keeping standards low.




Reminds me...You pay peanuts you get Monkeys !

Asking people working in London to be able to speak English is asking a bit too much.....so what

language should they communicate in ?


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Sussex wrote:
It's an interesting business model Uber are following.

Contacting customers to ask them to support keeping standards low.




Reminds me...You pay peanuts you get Monkeys !

Asking people working in London to be able to speak English is asking a bit too much.....so what

language should they communicate in ?


COCKNEY ??

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