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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:57 pm 
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The only reasonable explanation must be that she wanted to have sex.


Perhaps she was drunk. Can drunk people consent to sex?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:25 pm 
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The only reasonable explanation must be that she wanted to have sex.


Perhaps she was drunk. Can drunk people consent to sex?


Okay you are a woman.........what is the answer for a woman in that situation? (and I am not getting smutty).

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:41 pm 
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The only reasonable explanation must be that she wanted to have sex.


Perhaps she was drunk. Can drunk people consent to sex?


Okay you are a woman.........what is the answer for a woman in that situation? (and I am not getting smutty).


I have to admit to flirting more when I'm drunk but that's just a bit of fun. I've only ever lost hours of my life once, fortunately I was with friends so I was safe but it could have been far worse and I've never drank that much ever again (that's me being responsible). A lot of girls don't realise what they do and say when they're drunk but that aside it doesn't give anybody the right to take advantage. If both parties are drunk who can be held responsible? I believe if somebody is sober and somebody is drunk throwing themselves at you it's wrong to take advantage, unless you know them really well then it can lots of fun :wink: Taxi drivers unfortunately have to have self control and give passengers the respect they clearly aren't giving themselves in a drunken state.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:33 pm 
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The only reasonable explanation must be that she wanted to have sex.


Perhaps she was drunk. Can drunk people consent to sex?


Okay you are a woman.........what is the answer for a woman in that situation? (and I am not getting smutty).


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I have to admit to flirting more when I'm drunk but that's just a bit of fun. I've only ever lost hours of my life once, fortunately I was with friends so I was safe but it could have been far worse and I've never drank that much ever again (that's me being responsible). A lot of girls don't realise what they do and say when they're drunk but that aside it doesn't give anybody the right to take advantage. If both parties are drunk who can be held responsible? I believe if somebody is sober and somebody is drunk throwing themselves at you it's wrong to take advantage, unless you know them really well then it can lots of fun :wink: Taxi drivers unfortunately have to have self control and give passengers the respect they clearly aren't giving themselves in a drunken state.


Thank you, it is pretty much as I thought.

What I can't get my head around is that they use technology ie count back to get a conviction, as opposed to the actual situation/moment in time, that shows a different scenario. Unfortunately as much as it is immoral/ wrong of the OP, they do not have the same facility to ascertain if that person is (actually) drunk. I ran pubs for 26 years, and taxied for 15 years on top of that, and have to say that it is not always obvious that a person is drunk or incapable. To my way of thinking, it is not right to say that he raped her, as the evidence does not prove whether she has a high or low tolerance to alcohol.

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The only reasonable explanation must be that she wanted to have sex.


Perhaps she was drunk. Can drunk people consent to sex?

But it's how drunk?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:34 pm 
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It's all subjective which makes it very difficult to judge how incapable or capable she was of giving consent perhaps there should be something written into law to clarify this. it is not unknown for women to have a bust up with their boyfriends and then jump into bed with someone because they are feeling horny and in the cold light of day it's a case of "Oh my god what have i done" or friends turn round and say "oh my god what have you done"

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I think a simple guide line would be that if you're working, don't be having sex with customers. I mean really how difficult is it for a taxi driver to say 'no thanks, not tonight'. The guy here clearly has little regard for women to start with.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:19 pm 
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Warrant issued for Chester taxi driver rapist who fled to Turkey

Syrian-born Sultan Amari sentenced in his absence to 11 years in prison

Sultan Amari, 46, fled the country before being found guilty of raping a student at a Chester house

A rapist who attacked a ‘vulnerable’ drunk student just eight minutes after she got into his taxi has been handed an 11-year prison sentence.
But he wasn’t around to be jailed because he fled the country midway through his trial.

Syrian-born Sultan Amari abused his position of trust as a cab driver to deliver his passengers to their chosen destinations safely on July 11 last year, when he picked up a young woman who was ‘obviously’ intoxicated in Chester city centre.

He took her to a house he owned on Sealand Road – unfurnished except for a mattress – where he raped her twice over a period of around eight hours.

A Warrington Crown Court jury of seven women and five men took just over six hours to find him guilty by majority of two counts of rape today(September 28).

But 46-year-old Amari, of Chester Road in Flint, did not hear their declaration of his guilt because he did a runner to Turkey midway through giving evidence.

The father-of-one was due to continue being questioned by the prosecution on Monday, but instead he sent an early morning email to the court telling them he had no intention of returning.

Checks made on Amari’s passport by police sensationally revealed that he had in fact boarded a plane on Sunday night and landed in Istanbul on Monday morning, breaching his bail conditions.

The case continued in his absence and the jury only received the explanation as to his mysterious departure after they returned their verdicts.

The six-day trial heard that his victim initially had no memory of what had happened between leaving a bar in the city centre and waking up the following morning, naked and with no idea where she was.

She later had a flashback that she had woken up in a dark room, lying face-down on a mattress and unable to move her arms or open her eyes, with a man having sex with her.

But Amari, who was living at an address on Colwyn Close in Ellesmere Port at the time, insisted that she had instigated sexual activity and had ‘absolutely’ consented.

Sentencing Amari to 11 years for each count of rape – to be served concurrently – Judge Tina Landale said: “This was a gross breach of trust with a very vulnerable woman.

“CCTV showed that she was totally incapable of walking in a straight line and she was obviously drunk.

“The public are entitled to be protected by people like Mr Amari but intstead he exploited and took advantage of her.”

The victim’s personal impact statement was read to the court, in which she told of how her previous self-confidence has been destroyed by the attacks and she now struggles with severe anxiety and stress.

She said her relationship with her mother has suffered, as she feels she cannot be as open about her feelings for fear of upsetting her.
She will never get in a taxi ever again, she added.

A Cheshire Constabulary spokesperson said: "Amari is currently wanted on warrant which was issued by the court. Anyone with information on Armari’s whereabouts or who has seen him should contact Cheshire Police on 101. Alternatively information can be given anonymously by contacting Crimestoppers on 0800 55 111."

source: http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... r-11950581

Flint taxi driver convicted of rape fled 'to Syria'


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A Flintshire taxi driver sentenced to 11 years in jail after raping a student twice following a night out has fled the country, a court has heard.

Syrian-born Sultan Amari, 46, from Flint, was due to return to the trial on Monday but sent an email saying he had no intention of returning.
He boarded a flight to Istanbul on Sunday and it is understood he could be headed for Syria.

He was convicted in his absence at Warrington Crown Court.

The last time the father-of-one attended the court was on Friday when he was giving evidence.

A warrant has been issued for Amari's arrest and police enquiries to trace his whereabouts are ongoing.

During the trial he claimed sex with his victim had been consensual after he had picked her up and had taken her to a house he owned in Chester in July last year.

When it became apparent Amari was not going to turn up at court, the judge Tina Landale told the jury: "All I can say to you is he is not here and we are going to continue with the trial."

She ordered an investigation into how Amari managed to breach his bail conditions and leave the country.

'Vulnerable woman'

The court had heard how his victim could not recall anything that happened in between leaving a bar in Chester and waking up naked and alone in an unfamiliar house where he raped her twice over a period of about eight hours.

But she later had a flashback that she was lying face-down on a mattress, unable to move her arms or open her eyes, with a man having intercourse with her.

Amari was given 11 years for each count of rape to be served concurrently.

Judge Landale said: "This was a gross breach of trust with a very vulnerable woman.

"CCTV showed that she was totally incapable of walking in a straight line and she was obviously drunk.

"The public are entitled to be protected by people like Mr Amari but instead he exploited and took advantage of her."

The victim said her relationship with her mother has suffered, as she feels she cannot be as open about her feelings for fear of upsetting her, and she feels she will never be able to get in a taxi again.

source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-nort ... s-37498773

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:24 pm 
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Why Chester taxi driver rapist Sultan Amari was able to flee the country

Amari was not considered to be a flight risk, say the Crown Prosecution Service

A convicted rapist from Syria who fled to Turkey midway through his trial for subjecting a vulnerable woman to two sexual assaults after picking her up in his taxi was not considered a flight risk, the Crown Prosecution Service has revealed.

But City of Chester MP Chris Matheson says questions need to be asked of why Sultan Amari was able to leave the country and why he still had his passport.

Forty-six-year-old Amari had been on bail since he was charged with two counts of rape last year, and on Sunday night he boarded a plane to Istanbul when he was due to continue giving evidence the next morning.

Instead, he emailed Warrington Crown Court indicating that he had no intention of returning.

The rest of his trial was heard in his absence and he was convicted by a jury of two counts of rape.

Senior District Crown Prosecutor with Mersey-Cheshire Crown Prosecution Service Geoffrey Fryar explained that Amari, who had no previous convictions, had been of ‘good character’.

“Sultan Amari had denied the offence of rape,” said Mr Fryar.

“He was of previous good character, was in full-time employment and had a settled address.

“He was on police bail throughout the investigation and throughout the court process on conditional bail to reside at his home address and not to make contact with the victim.

“There was no information to suggest he was a flight risk. He has since been convicted and sentenced to imprisonment in his absence.

“The court have issued a warrant for his arrest.”

His trial heard that he took his victim back to a house he owned on Sealand Road in Chester within eight minutes of picking her up.

Having drunk nearly two bottles of wine and one cocktail, the victim could not remember what had happened in between leaving a bar and waking up naked in an unfamiliar house, but later had a flashback of the second attack.

Now Chris Matheson MP wants answers.

He told the Chronicle: “We need to ask why his passport was not taken off him, and how we are going to get him back to serve his sentence for this dreadful crime.

“We also need to ask whether the court will be reviewing bail policy in light of this case.”

As well as those in Syria, where he was born, Amari is understood to have links in Jordan.

source: http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/ ... n-11952837

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:58 pm 
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Amari was not considered to be a flight risk, say the Crown Prosecution Service

A convicted rapist from Syria who fled to Turkey midway through his trial for subjecting a vulnerable woman to two sexual assaults after picking her up in his taxi was not considered a flight risk, the Crown Prosecution Service has revealed.

But City of Chester MP Chris Matheson says questions need to be asked of why Sultan Amari was able to leave the country and why he still had his passport


Oh FFS

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:10 pm 
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It's time we had an offence of criminal stupidity as the judge in this case would be bang to rights.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:50 pm 
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It's time we had an offence of criminal stupidity as the judge in this case would be bang to rights.



only me and you commenting?

where's the f8cking outrage ?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:46 am 
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only me and you commenting?

where's the f8cking outrage ?



It's fuckin here. I wanted to hang him last week but you said, "lets wait."


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:48 am 
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It's time we had an offence of criminal stupidity as the judge in this case would be bang to rights.


Should've kept him locked up in Custody when they arrested him. Now he's fled the country he's never going to have justice served on him.


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