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UK taxi tsar? (27/7/2005)

Could recent developments at the OFT mean that a UK taxi tsar and 'Offtaxi' are a (small) step closer?

In 1998, Dr John Fingleton, an economist at Trinity College, Dublin, co-authored a lengthy report on the city’s taxi market which condemned the policy of restricted numbers then in operation and was also critical of the decision-making process with regard to taxi licensing.

A later court case led to the derestriction of taxi numbers in Dublin, and this was welcomed by Dr Fingleton in a 2002 co-authored article in the Irish Independent, where he said that the change had benefited consumers, increased employment in the industry and meant that cosy (journeymen) drivers were better off as they no longer had to pay rent on a taxi plate. The article also recommended a radical overhaul of the system more generally, and in particular the appointment of a national taxi regulator (tsar) which would end political interference in the licensing process and also encourage the pooling of trade expertise and knowledge.

By this time Dr Fingleton had been appointed Chairperson of Ireland’s Competition Authority, which is roughly equivalent to our own competition watchdog the Office of Fair Trading (OFT).

Of course, as we all know the OFT subsequently conducted a lengthy study on the UK taxi and PHV market, and in November 2003 it recommended that restricted taxi numbers in the UK should be ended. While the Government stopped short of ordering local authorities to lift restricted numbers, it did ‘strongly encourage’ them to do so in its response to the OFT.

Back in Ireland, by the time of the OFT’s study and report the Irish Government had acted on Dr Fingleton’s recommendation and announced the establishment of an Office of National Taxi Regulator, to be responsible for things like setting fares and quality control in the trade. Thus at Taxi Driver Online we thought that there might be some mention of this internationally important development in the OFT’s report, but in fact the document did not mention the issue at all. Our own perhaps rather cynical explanation of this was that the omission of the issue was politically inspired, since the Government clearly preferred to tinker with existing UK taxi licensing law rather than radically overhaul it, since the latter would have required new legislation, which would have eaten into scarce Parliamentary time for passing new laws.

However, earlier in July this year it was announced that Dr Fingleton would take over as Chief Executive of the OFT later this year on the retirement of the current incumbent Sir John Vickers.

When the Government responded to the OFT’s report it said that they would both look again at restricted numbers in 2007 to “monitor progress towards the lifting of controls”. Thus, since Dr Fingleton will be at the OFT helm by that time, this fact will provide little succour to supporters of restricted taxi numbers.

As regards the possibility of a taxi regulator, given Dr Fingleton’s advocacy of this in Ireland it would be interesting to hear any views he has regarding the OFT’s non-mention of the issue in its 2003 report, when he takes office in the autumn.

However, with over 400 UK local authorities involved in taxi licensing, and the obvious mishmash of rules, standards and enforcement procedures, the need for a national taxi regulator seems self-evident. While of course the OFT’s report cannot be rewritten, perhaps Mr Fingleton’s presence at the OFT may be the first step towards a taxi tsar and ‘Offtaxi’ for the UK.

Some words of wisdom from John Fingleton:

Before derestriction of Dublin taxi numbers:

Regulatory capture refers to a situation in which the regulator is "captured" by the regulated industry and reflects its interests instead of the interests of consumers. This happens primarily because the regulator needs information about the market that only the industry can supply. Capture can occur either because the information provided by the industry is misleading (to the benefit of the industry) or because the close relations that develop between the regulator and the industry cloud the regulator's objectives.

The political economy analysis of regulation recognises the importance of economic vested interests in determining political outcomes. One solution is to have a regulator that is independent from the political process (but answerable to politicians). Given this independence combined with transparency, the regulator can implement measures that are good for society. Moreover, the industry has less incentive to lobby because it knows that it is less likely to be successful. Politicians quite properly appoint the regulator, and insist on transparency of process but they are removed from the day-to-day decisions.

The taxi market exemplifies these political economy arguments. The suppliers in the market are a relatively small, focused and highly vocal group whereas consumers comprise a large and diffuse population. A system of regulation based on decision-making by elected representatives is likely to give rise to a large amount of lobbying and inevitably decisions that reflect the interests of taxi suppliers. Thus good regulation necessitates political independence and transparency

After derestriction of Dublin taxi numbers:

...there are several problems with the current regulatory process. It is highly fragmented. The many agencies responsible include local authorities, the Garda, the NCTS, and the Department of the Environment. Elected representatives vote on fare levels. There is a history of regulatory capture, whereby the system favours the interests of suppliers of taxi services over consumers.

These problems can best be addressed by handing responsibility for regulating all aspects of the taxi market to a single politically-independent agency, preferably one with responsibility for regulating transport generally. A single agency could better co-ordinate and manage fare regulation, setting quality standards, awarding licences, and enforcing regulations. It would be more accountable to both consumers and suppliers because it could not blame another agency for its failings.

Removing direct political involvement would increase transparency and enable appropriate technical expertise in setting fares and standards. As in the telecommunications, electricity and aviation sectors, such a regulator would be accountable politically in implementing policy and legally for its decisions.

On 'deregulation':

Calling this deregulation is misleading. Regulatory reform is a better description, because only one element, entry, is liberalised, while fare controls are maintained and quality standards improved.

Controls on fares protect passengers from exploitation. Enforcement of quality standards and fare controls is essential if the benefits of new entry and competition are to be delivered in full.

Scare stories abound regarding disastrous deregulation abroad, where controls on fares and quality standards were abandoned. On the contrary, unrestricted entry works well in the London market where regulation focuses on fares and quality standards.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:40 pm 
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However, earlier in July this year it was announced that Dr Fingleton would take over as Chief Executive of the OFT later this year on the retirement of the current incumbent Sir John Vickers.

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Some words of wisdom from John Fingleton:

'Regulatory capture refers to a situation in which the regulator is "captured" by the regulated industry and reflects its interests instead of the interests of consumers. This happens primarily because the regulator needs information about the market that only the industry can supply. Capture can occur either because the information provided by the industry is misleading (to the benefit of the industry) or because the close relations that develop between the regulator and the industry cloud the regulator's objectives'.


I just can't quite work out which trade he is referring to. :roll:

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thats why he works for the OFT ..............and what does he know about the taxi trade?

I have read thier other publications, they are quiet reasonable with the affected industry, but they do seem to have it in for us.


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thats why he works for the OFT ..............and what does he know about the taxi trade?

I have read thier other publications, they are quiet reasonable with the affected industry, but they do seem to have it in for us.

I think the OFT are only really interested in what's good for punters, not what's good for the vested interests. :shock:

Now some of those vested interests will tell those 'not in the know', that following de-limitation the world ends.

Thankfully the new mush at the OFT will treat that with the contempt it deserves. :D

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Just had a quick glance at August's Taxi-Talk, and they mention this story about the new OFT boss, and a bit about his background. :shock:

I wonder where they got that info from. :roll:

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UK Taxi Tsar?

Remember Keith Haliwell?

No? Well he was Drugs Tsar, but not for long.


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An extended version of a recent post on the forum is now included on the frontpage:

UK taxi tsar? (27/7/2005)

Could recent developments at the OFT mean that a UK taxi tsar and 'Offtaxi' are a (small) step closer?

In 1998, Dr John Fingleton, an economist at Trinity College, Dublin, co-authored a lengthy report on the city’s taxi market which condemned the policy of restricted numbers then in operation and was also critical of the decision-making process with regard to taxi licensing.



John Fingleton was scheduled to start his new post at the OFT on October 1st.

I also hear that Peter Kavanagh has asked for a career change because of those 47 councils that have so far took his advice, that councils know best when it comes to deciding policy.

Mr Kavanagh was rumoured to say, that what he really meant, was that the T&G knows best and councils should always listen to the T&G. Mr Kavanagh wasn't available for further comment.

Although the above is tongue in cheek it would no doubt be very interesting to get Mr Kavanagh's views on why 47 councils out of 150 have so far removed quantity controls since he made his victorious statement that the OFT was dead and buried? 48 councils out of 151 if we included the DfT figures.

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TDO wrote:
An extended version of a recent post on the forum is now included on the frontpage:

UK taxi tsar? (27/7/2005)

Could recent developments at the OFT mean that a UK taxi tsar and 'Offtaxi' are a (small) step closer?

In 1998, Dr John Fingleton, an economist at Trinity College, Dublin, co-authored a lengthy report on the city’s taxi market which condemned the policy of restricted numbers then in operation and was also critical of the decision-making process with regard to taxi licensing.



John Fingleton was scheduled to start his new post at the OFT on October 1st.

I also hear that Peter Kavanagh has asked for a career change because of those 47 councils that have so far took his advice, that councils know best when it comes to deciding policy.

Mr Kavanagh was rumoured to say, that what he really meant, was that the T&G knows best and councils should always listen to the T&G. Mr Kavanagh wasn't available for further comment.

Although the above is tongue in cheek it would no doubt be very interesting to get Mr Kavanagh's views on why 47 councils out of 150 have so far removed quantity controls since he made his victorious statement that the OFT was dead and buried? 48 councils out of 151 if we included the DfT figures.

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John Fingleton? The guy behind the disaster that was Dublin? (Quote: Jacobs report takes the biscuit)


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John Fingleton? The guy behind the disaster that was Dublin? (Quote: Jacobs report takes the biscuit)

I think it was the Eire gov and courts behind what happened in Dublin. Mr New OFT just pointed them in the right direction.

But Dublin would have been a success, IMHO, if they had kept standards. But they didn't and it wasn't. :shock:

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thats right, they pandered to the "wannaplates" and made it a complete free for all - no point trying to justify thier decision afterwards.


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thats right, they pandered to the "wannaplates" and made it a complete free for all - no point trying to justify thier decision afterwards.

No they didn't pander to the 'wannaplates'. If you read the background, you will find the gov pandered to the 'wanacabs'. :wink:

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John Fingleton? The guy behind the disaster that was Dublin? (Quote: Jacobs report takes the biscuit)


I think you will find it was the hight court of Ireland on 13/10/2000 who deregulated Dublin and no one else. Why do you blame it on Mr Fingleton?

CHRISTOPHER HUMPHREY, TONY DOYLE, THOMAS O’CONNOR AND KEVIN BRADY. APPLICANTS

THE MINISTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE MINISTER OF STATE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IRELAND, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DUNDALK URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL, THE RIGHT HONOURABLE, LORD MAYOR ALDERMEN AND BURGESSES OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN THE NATIONAL TAXI DRIVERS UNION AND THOMAS GORMAN (IN HIS REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY AS GENERAL SECRETARY OF THE UNION) (JOINED BY ORDER). RESPONDENTS

Quite a long list of resondents who were all guilty in some respect of trying to deny the applicants what they were legally entitled to.

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jimbo wrote:

John Fingleton? The guy behind the disaster that was Dublin? (Quote: Jacobs report takes the biscuit)


I think you will find it was the hight court of Ireland on 13/10/2000 who deregulated Dublin and no one else. Why do you blame it on Mr Fingleton?

CHRISTOPHER HUMPHREY, TONY DOYLE, THOMAS O’CONNOR AND KEVIN BRADY. APPLICANTS

THE MINISTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE MINISTER OF STATE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IRELAND, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DUNDALK URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL, THE RIGHT HONOURABLE, LORD MAYOR ALDERMEN AND BURGESSES OF THE CITY OF DUBLIN THE NATIONAL TAXI DRIVERS UNION AND THOMAS GORMAN (IN HIS REPRESENTATIVE CAPACITY AS GENERAL SECRETARY OF THE UNION) (JOINED BY ORDER). RESPONDENTS

Quite a long list of resondents who were all guilty in some respect of trying to deny the applicants what they were legally entitled to.

JD


Whoever is to blame, we all appear to agree, Dublin is now a mess.


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Whoever is to blame, we all appear to agree, Dublin is now a mess.

Agreed, but at long last they are trying to sort it. =D>

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