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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:53 pm 
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He'll just transfer everything over into Edna's name, his son and daughters.


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He'll just transfer everything over into Edna's name, his son and daughters.


sounds about right claim he's retiring and the younger generation will change how it's run won't happen again blah blah blah

If i read the article correctly the licensing team already had a file open on them

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If the article is correct,no Council with any gumption will grant an operators or vehicle license to Edna Lamb as the information given in the coroners court proves that she is not a" fit and proper person"


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If the article is correct,no Council with any gumption will grant an operators or vehicle license to Edna Lamb as the information given in the coroners court proves that she is not a" fit and proper person"


Daughter in law or the son in law.


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Following the fatal smash, Wiesztort, 36, was found to have no alcohol or drugs in his system, but said he only had nine hours sleep in the three days previous to the accident which happened at around 5.30am on Sunday, March 30, 2014.

I think the working time directive recommends a minimum 12 hours between shifts but in my experience as long as a driver has had 6 hours break they are Ok as a ONE OFF but not 3 days running. I leave it to my drivers to decide most of the time but if I think they are tired usually persuade them to go home because the one thing uppermost in my mind is that if a driver is working hard because they have big bills to pay they don't want to come off the road due to an accident

I'm not sure if the company could be prosecuted because the driver would presumably be self employed but questions need to be asked


edders you need to look at that YOU give a Driver a run YOU are responsible on each and every occasion for that Driver not being tired or suffering from "sleep deprivation" is my understanding and the view lawyers within the field and the "sleep deprivation unit" at Loughborough University.

Many company's i believe have been prosecuted in similar circumstances, that was the info given to us at a meeting in the House of Commons some years ago.

We were told the minimum sentence for the proprietor was 5 years and the guy presenting that info stated that he frequently gave evidence in such cases, he was a professor on sleep deprivation and came to us through BRAKE the road transport accident charity. Maybe you should check with BRAKE?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:54 pm 
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This article doesn't make good reading - it will see regulations on drivers hours being introduced imo


what's wrong with that then mate ? tbh , truckers are /bus drivers are/ so why not cabs? they take the public form A2B as do buses & they have drivers hours regulations , i cant understand the argument tbh , some of our "asian "friends are working 18 hours a day ( at the last P/H i was at anyway ) , that safe ?


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This article doesn't make good reading - it will see regulations on drivers hours being introduced imo


what's wrong with that then mate ? tbh , truckers are /bus drivers are/ so why not cabs? they take the public form A2B as do buses & they have drivers hours regulations , i cant understand the argument tbh , some of our "asian "friends are working 18 hours a day ( at the last P/H i was at anyway ) , that safe ?


I'm not arguing with you, but who regulates us?

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I'm not arguing with you, but who regulates us?



No one


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Coroner orders changes to taxi licensing after 'unfit' taxi driver killed motorcyclist in crash

A coroner has today ruled that the death of a motorcyclist killed in a head-on crash with a taxi was an 'unlawful killing'.

Mark Buckley from Mansfield died after the crash in March 2014, having suffered “unsurvivable” injuries.

Nottinghamshire Coroner’s Court was told the taxi driver, Kevin Wiesztort, was unfit to be on the road due to lack of sleep - and the coroner has now demanded changes to licensing rules.

Mr Buckley's partner Rachael Price told our reporter Charlotte Cross that she hopes those changes will save lives:

In a statement after the conclusion of the three-day inquest hearing, Ms Price said:

The last two and a half years have been incredibly difficult. Mark was such a positive, loving and funny man to be around and now we somehow have to rebuild our lives with only his memory.

My decision to pursue marks inquest to be resumed was because I believed that circumstances that occurred leading up to his death, if acted upon and monitored prior to the collision could have prevented it from happening.

Over the last three days the evidence I have heard has confirmed this.

To hear Dennis Lamb, the proprietor of Aaeron Cars, admit part responsibility into Mark’s tragic death was a bittersweet admission. I will be monitoring closely the outcome of his firm’s review in respects to his licensing conditions.

Mansfield District Council have worked closely with other licensing bodies across Nottinghamshire to implement changes to policies and procedures from the start of Mark’s inquest and I am hoping it will improve the future safety for the general public. I also hope other counties will look upon these changes in Nottinghamshire and review their practices to ensure this has national impact.

I hope to see safer practices enforced on taxi companies and their drivers in the hope that this can stop other people having to go through the pain and heartache we have been through.

I have offered to work closely with the licensing bodies to raise awareness in these matters and hope that going forward it can only be a positive step towards achieving this goal.

– Rachael Price


Mr Buckley, a father-of-three, was hit head-on in the crash with Wiesztort’s Fiat Doblò taxi, at around 5.30am on March 30, 2014 - Mother’s Day - as he travelled along the Derby Road in Kirkby-in-Ashfield.

Wiesztort had veered onto the wrong side of the road and smashed into Mr Buckley’s Yamaha, throwing him from the bike.

The court heard that less than two hours before the smash, Wiesztort’s customers David and Michelle Newton, who had been travelling from Mansfield to Birmingham Airport, had lodged a complaint with his employers Aaeron Cars.

They told the operator he should not be behind the wheel. He had been swerving between lanes, fluctuating speed without warning, and at one point took his jumper off over his head while on the M1, leaving them frightened for their lives.

The court heard that complaint was, in essence, ignored by the owners of Aaeron Cars, Dennis and Edna Lamb.

Mansfield District Council’s licensing chiefs have now launched an urgent, 28-day review into Aaeron Cars’ operating licence, after what the court heard were repeated failures to meet standards.

Officials from councils across Nottinghamshire have also joined together to overhaul licensing standards, introducing new guidelines to restrict who can get a taxi driver or operator licence.

These include stricter fitness to drive testing, tighter monitoring of drivers’ hours, and every taxi firm having a proper complaints handling procedure.

Nottinghamshire Coroner Máirín Casey said she hoped other councils would follow suit in raising standards.

Nottinghamshire Authorities Licensing Group are leading the way nationally in terms of the changes they have implemented in this case. This is much to be commended and is a fitting legacy for Mr Buckley.

– Máirín Casey, Coroner


In tribute, Mark’s family has described him as “thoughtful, funny and kind”.

source: http://www.itv.com/news/central/2016-10 ... l-killing/

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Drivers hours are always going to be difficult to enforce in this business. I am not against the principle of regulating hours but in a small town like mine it would mean that at certain times it will be impossible to get a car because drivers will only work the times that they know it will be worthwhile. Now, if the answer is that drivers have to become employees and work "fixed" hours I can't see how that can work for independent, one man band owner drivers. I can see how it can work for Private Hire where all jobs are booked through an operator because all payments could be made by card through the office but this can't work for Hackney's picking up off the street.
As most of our work is now from the phone and not the street it would only require us to go back to private hire and we would be sorted but I can't see any of the other businesses in town doing the same. I would then have a problem keeping the drivers who don't want to be tied to set shifts.

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Drivers hours are always going to be difficult to enforce in this business. I am not against the principle of regulating hours but in a small town like mine it would mean that at certain times it will be impossible to get a car because drivers will only work the times that they know it will be worthwhile. Now, if the answer is that drivers have to become employees and work "fixed" hours I can't see how that can work for independent, one man band owner drivers. I can see how it can work for Private Hire where all jobs are booked through an operator because all payments could be made by card through the office but this can't work for Hackney's picking up off the street.
As most of our work is now from the phone and not the street it would only require us to go back to private hire and we would be sorted but I can't see any of the other businesses in town doing the same. I would then have a problem keeping the drivers who don't want to be tied to set shifts.


hack yes, p/h, not so hard

see above, p/h drivers have set shifts don't they ? ( well do up here)

if all p/h offices had to do the same where would they go then?


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ven2112 wrote:

hack yes, p/h, not so hard

see above, p/h drivers have set shifts don't they ? ( well do up here)

if all p/h offices had to do the same where would they go then?
How can self employed drivers be on set shifts? The whole point of being self employed is that you work when you want, accept a job if you want, refuse if you want. If the company is setting shifts then as TT would say, you are either an employee or a worker under the direction of the company with all the rights that go with that status.

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How can self employed drivers be on set shifts? The whole point of being self employed is that you work when you want, accept a job if you want, refuse if you want. If the company is setting shifts then as TT would say, you are either an employee or a worker under the direction of the company with all the rights that go with that status.


Numerous HGV drivers are self employed, Ven is right.

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grandad wrote:
How can self employed drivers be on set shifts? The whole point of being self employed is that you work when you want, accept a job if you want, refuse if you want. If the company is setting shifts then as TT would say, you are either an employee or a worker under the direction of the company with all the rights that go with that status.


Numerous HGV drivers are self employed, Ven is right.

So you are saying that I can impose set shifts on self employed drivers? Do self employed lorry drivers have to accept the offer of a job or can they simply refuse? Are self emploted lorry drivers contractors? Can taxi/ph drivers also be classed as contractors?

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grandad wrote:
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grandad wrote:
How can self employed drivers be on set shifts? The whole point of being self employed is that you work when you want, accept a job if you want, refuse if you want. If the company is setting shifts then as TT would say, you are either an employee or a worker under the direction of the company with all the rights that go with that status.


Numerous HGV drivers are self employed, Ven is right.

So you are saying that I can impose set shifts on self employed drivers? Do self employed lorry drivers have to accept the offer of a job or can they simply refuse? Are self emploted lorry drivers contractors? Can taxi/ph drivers also be classed as contractors?


no no and no and no !

who enforces no one who nicks yer H&E or Police 5 years minimum

you want the full details try Brake the road transport charity they gave us the professor on sleep deprivation which kills more than drunk and drugged drivers put together #


if you Grandad have Drivers wo0rking set shifts and claiming to be self employed YOU are guilty of defrauding the revenue rendering you not fit and proper ie your aiding and abetting drivers defrauding the revenue and in breach of employment laws yourself ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i would be carful what youm post if i were you -o

and thats meant in friendly manner not threatening

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