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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:53 pm 
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Drivers hours are always going to be difficult to enforce in this business. I am not against the principle of regulating hours but in a small town like mine it would mean that at certain times it will be impossible to get a car because drivers will only work the times that they know it will be worthwhile. Now, if the answer is that drivers have to become employees and work "fixed" hours I can't see how that can work for independent, one man band owner drivers. I can see how it can work for Private Hire where all jobs are booked through an operator because all payments could be made by card through the office but this can't work for Hackney's picking up off the street.
As most of our work is now from the phone and not the street it would only require us to go back to private hire and we would be sorted but I can't see any of the other businesses in town doing the same. I would then have a problem keeping the drivers who don't want to be tied to set shifts.

There has always been two ways at looking at drivers hours, and both make sense.

One is the above i.e. leave it to the market so to speak, however I have always preferred the other option which to me makes perfect sense. That option is a maximum working week.

In every part of the UK drivers sit around for ages between jobs at various times of the day, and there are drivers that work crazy hours, which in turn makes other drivers who need to earn also work crazy hours.

So if we had a maximum then no one would be allowed to work those crazy hours leading to drivers actually being busy when they are out working.

What happens now when it's quiet is the night cars come out earlier, thus the days cars have to work later. And on it goes.

If we could stop that circle of work, then maybe we could all get our lives back.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:27 pm 
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Drivers hours are always going to be difficult to enforce in this business. I am not against the principle of regulating hours but in a small town like mine it would mean that at certain times it will be impossible to get a car because drivers will only work the times that they know it will be worthwhile. Now, if the answer is that drivers have to become employees and work "fixed" hours I can't see how that can work for independent, one man band owner drivers. I can see how it can work for Private Hire where all jobs are booked through an operator because all payments could be made by card through the office but this can't work for Hackney's picking up off the street.
As most of our work is now from the phone and not the street it would only require us to go back to private hire and we would be sorted but I can't see any of the other businesses in town doing the same. I would then have a problem keeping the drivers who don't want to be tied to set shifts.

There has always been two ways at looking at drivers hours, and both make sense.

One is the above i.e. leave it to the market so to speak, however I have always preferred the other option which to me makes perfect sense. That option is a maximum working week.

In every part of the UK drivers sit around for ages between jobs at various times of the day, and there are drivers that work crazy hours, which in turn makes other drivers who need to earn also work crazy hours.

So if we had a maximum then no one would be allowed to work those crazy hours leading to drivers actually being busy when they are out working.

What happens now when it's quiet is the night cars come out earlier, thus the days cars have to work later. And on it goes.

If we could stop that circle of work, then maybe we could all get our lives back.

What would you set the maximum at and how would you enforce it?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:06 pm 
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I'm not sure what the max would be, but 48-56 hours would be my start point.

In respect of enforcement that could be done via data system log ins, or readings from taxi meters.

Like all rules there will be ways to get around it, and some will get caught whereas many will not.

But most of us work too many hours, and we all deserve to have a life.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:12 pm 
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So you are saying that I can impose set shifts on self employed drivers? Do self employed lorry drivers have to accept the offer of a job or can they simply refuse? Are self emploted lorry drivers contractors? Can taxi/ph drivers also be classed as contractors?



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So you are saying that I can impose set shifts on self employed drivers?


I don't see where I said that.

what has being self employed got to do with driving dangerous hours?

Get away from the employment aspect completely.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:32 pm 
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Council revokes Mansfield taxi firm licence after unlawful killing verdict



A Mansfield Taxi firm has had its licence revoked after an inquest found one of its drivers unlawfully killed a motorcyclist. Dennis Lamb, owner of Aaeron Taxis has had his operators license removed by Mansfield district Council following the inquest verdict in October into the death of father of three Mark Buckley.

Mr Buckley, 34 was killed when a sleepy taxi driver ploughed into him.

He had been on his way to work in Huthwaite when the cab veered across to the wrong side of the road and collided with his Yamaha 125cc on the A611 Derby Road, close to Notts Golf Club on March 30 2014.

Cab driver, Kevin Wiesztort had only had nine hours’ sleep in three days, despite working long shifts.

Wiesztort was jailed last year for 45 months after admitting causing death by dangerous driving.

The inquest heard two passengers who had been in Wiesztort’s cab hours before the fatal smash had complained to his company, Aaeron Cars in Mansfield, about his driving.

They described Wiesztort’s driving as “erratic”, saying “he was not fit to drive” and that he was a “danger” after he dropped them off at Birmingham Airport.

The complaint was brought to the attention of the wife of the firm’s owner, Dennis Lamb, but, the inquest was told, she failed to act on the information.

Mr Lamb told the inquest he would have stopped Wiesztort from driving but said his wife did not realise how serious the complaint was. Detective Constable Helen Neaverson, of Nottinghamshire Police, told the inquest: “Tragically, no action was taken to bring that to the attention of anyone to intervene.

“If the police had been informed, there is a very, very strong chance we could have done something about it.” The company was later found to have no formal complaints procedure at the time of the accident.

Earlier in proceedings, Rachael Price, Mr Buckley’s partner of seven years, read out two heartfelt statements.

She said: “I would like to say it’s got easier. However, it hasn’t.

“In fact, at times, things have got much harder.

“We put our trust in taxi drivers and expect certain standards to be in place.”

Hayley Barsby, Director of Communities said: “A hearing was held to review the operator’s licence of the taxi company Aaeron Cars & Elite Cars.

The licensing authority, on consideration of all the evidence, took the decision to revoke the licence on 9 December 2016.

This will be effective from 1 January 2017.

“If a licensing authority becomes aware of any conduct on the part of an operator that appears to render them unfit to continue to hold a licence then consideration must be given to this.

As the licencing authority for Mansfield district we not only have a duty to promote standards that protect the public, we expect all licence holders and applicants to continuously demonstrate that they meet the standards required by legislation and policy.

It is incumbent on all licencing authorities to exercise the powers given to them to ensure public safety is a paramount consideration. “Aaeron Cars and Elite Cars had not replied to our request for a comment on Friday afternoon.

Read more at: http://www.chad.co.uk/news/council-revo ... -1-8293878

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:53 pm 
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He'll swap it into his wife or his sons name and they'll carry on as if nothing happened.


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He'll swap it into his wife or his sons name and they'll carry on as if nothing happened.



no his wife or son will have to apply for a license surely as it has already been rescinded ?

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After looking into this, I'm not so sure he will get his wife or his sons to apply for a opps licence, I think Mansfield council have conducted a witch hunt against him, which would carry on if his family applied. I'm told that 95% of his fleet is Bolsover licensed so I think he will be happy to get rid of Mansfield, as many other operators have done in this town. And to answer heathcote no I don't think this article is correct.


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He'll swap it into his wife or his sons name and they'll carry on as if nothing happened.



no his wife or son will have to apply for a license surely as it has already been rescinded ?


I don't think you can transfer a operators licence so you are correct


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Under the circumstances that the operators license was rescinded his Bolsover operators license possibly could go the same way.


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Under the circumstances that the operators license was rescinded his Bolsover operators license possibly could go the same way.


Well it's a different council who will look at it more fairly, but I agree, if he's not fit and proper he can't have a vehicle or drivers licence, well with Mansfield. Mansfield got a slating from the coroner so they are trying to make it look like there doing something about it basically.


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mancityfan wrote:
After looking into this, I'm not so sure he will get his wife or his sons to apply for a opps licence, I think Mansfield council have conducted a witch hunt against him, which would carry on if his family applied. I'm told that 95% of his fleet is Bolsover licensed so I think he will be happy to get rid of Mansfield, as many other operators have done in this town. And to answer heathcote no I don't think this article is correct.


That's correct he's sold all his Mansfield plated vehicles barring a few. He was in a accident the other month in a Bolsover plated vehicle he wasn't licensed for, his Mansfield plated car had broken down so he took the Bolsover plated one instead. He had an accident which was his fault and nothing was done about him not being licensed to drive the Bolsover vehicle.


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Under the circumstances that the operators license was rescinded his Bolsover operators license possibly could go the same way.


Well it's a different council who will look at it more fairly, but I agree, if he's not fit and proper he can't have a vehicle or drivers licence, well with Mansfield. Mansfield got a slating from the coroner so they are trying to make it look like there doing something about it basically.



Bad boys from all other districts who have lost their licences in other districts head to Bolsover because they'll give them a badge. One Mansfield Driver got caught in a sting where he got caught plying for hire in a Private Hire Minibus, he was hit with 12 points and a £2000 fine. Mansfield Council revoked his badge after an appeal, during the appeal process he went over to Bolsover and they gave him a badge. He handed his Mansfield badge in and walked out and started working in a Bolsover plated vehicle.


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Bad boys from all other districts who have lost their licences in other districts head to Bolsover because they'll give them a badge. One Mansfield Driver got caught in a sting where he got caught plying for hire in a Private Hire Minibus, he was hit with 12 points and a £2000 fine. Mansfield Council revoked his badge after an appeal, during the appeal process he went over to Bolsover and they gave him a badge. He handed his Mansfield badge in and walked out and started working in a Bolsover plated vehicle.

What were the 12 points for?

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Bad boys from all other districts who have lost their licences in other districts head to Bolsover because they'll give them a badge. One Mansfield Driver got caught in a sting where he got caught plying for hire in a Private Hire Minibus, he was hit with 12 points and a £2000 fine. Mansfield Council revoked his badge after an appeal, during the appeal process he went over to Bolsover and they gave him a badge. He handed his Mansfield badge in and walked out and started working in a Bolsover plated vehicle.

What were the 12 points for?


Driving without insurance X2


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