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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:39 am 
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Not according to TT.



After he takes his meds he sees all sorts...dont listen to him FFS

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:04 pm 
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Surely its the taxman/HMRC who will decide who is and isnt self employed or PAYE?


I guess they do but they don't decide if you are a worker or not a worker :roll:


worker=paye anyway


You can be a worker and still be self employed for tax purposes so that would mean you're not PAYE

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:18 am 
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toots wrote:

You can be a worker and still be self employed for tax purposes so that would mean you're not PAYE

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview

I can't see anything on that site that would lead me to think that a worker is self employed for tax purposes. I can see a bit that says that you are probably a worker if income tax and national insurance is deducted.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:59 am 
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You can be a worker and still be self employed for tax purposes so that would mean you're not PAYE

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview


Look at the building trade...

Self employed get tax and stamp deducted from payments, how bad is that... claiming back after april 6th each year

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:54 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
toots wrote:

You can be a worker and still be self employed for tax purposes so that would mean you're not PAYE

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview


Look at the building trade...

Self employed get tax and stamp deducted from payments, how bad is that... claiming back after april 6th each year


When I was a ground worker in the building trade 30 year ago it was called Sc60 and a percentage of your earning was paid to the Inland Revenue but that was still self employment as you didn't get sick pay holiday pay etc.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:41 pm 
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When I was a ground worker in the building trade 30 year ago it was called Sc60 and a percentage of your earning was paid to the Inland Revenue but that was still self employment as you didn't get sick pay holiday pay etc.


imagine 42,000 uber drivers taking a grand a week, having 20% held by uber for months..and 20% commission taken too

in my book thats an own goal

whats the interest on 8 mill a year?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:28 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:

whats the interest on 8 mill a year?

Nothing at the moment!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:57 pm 
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whats the interest on 8 mill a year?

Nothing at the moment!


probably reverese invested in uber shares and getting 10%

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:18 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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You can be a worker and still be self employed for tax purposes so that would mean you're not PAYE

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview

I can't see anything on that site that would lead me to think that a worker is self employed for tax purposes. I can see a bit that says that you are probably a worker if income tax and national insurance is deducted.


You don't look far do you?

1. Overview
In employment law a person’s employment status helps determine:

their rights
their employer’s responsibilities
A person may have a different employment status in tax law.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:01 pm 
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toots wrote:
grandad wrote:
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You can be a worker and still be self employed for tax purposes so that would mean you're not PAYE

https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview

I can't see anything on that site that would lead me to think that a worker is self employed for tax purposes. I can see a bit that says that you are probably a worker if income tax and national insurance is deducted.


You don't look far do you?

1. Overview
In employment law a person’s employment status helps determine:

their rights
their employer’s responsibilities
A person may have a different employment status in tax law.

Where exactly does that say that a worker can be self employed for tax purposes.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:38 pm 
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Grandad wrote:
Where exactly does that say that a worker can be self employed for tax purposes.


I'm going to assume that you do not mean to be obtuse. So here goes:


1. Overview
In employment law a person’s employment status helps determine:

their rights
their employer’s responsibilities
A person may have a different employment status in tax law.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:03 pm 
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toots wrote:
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Where exactly does that say that a worker can be self employed for tax purposes.


I'm going to assume that you do not mean to be obtuse. So here goes:


1. Overview
In employment law a person’s employment status helps determine:

their rights
their employer’s responsibilities
A person may have a different employment status in tax law.

To me that does not mean that a worker can be self employed at the time he is a worker. It means that he may be self employed for some part of his work, employed for another part of his work and also a worker for some part of his work. Each one will be treated differently for tax purposes. For instance, I was employed by my local authority and I was PAYE. At the same time I was employed by our taxi company and again I was PAYE. I also had my own driving business where I was self employed and completed a self assessment tax form. On this self assessment tax form I had to also put all my earnings from both employments and include the tax I had paid so that it was possible to work out how much more I owed from my self employment. So from that it can be seen that Where I worked for others I was PAYE and where I worked for myself I was self employed. Now correct me if I am wrong but by being a worker means that you are working for someone and not yourself so you should be PAYE.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:14 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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Grandad wrote:
Where exactly does that say that a worker can be self employed for tax purposes.


I'm going to assume that you do not mean to be obtuse. So here goes:


1. Overview
In employment law a person’s employment status helps determine:

their rights
their employer’s responsibilities
A person may have a different employment status in tax law.

To me that does not mean that a worker can be self employed at the time he is a worker. It means that he may be self employed for some part of his work, employed for another part of his work and also a worker for some part of his work. Each one will be treated differently for tax purposes. For instance, I was employed by my local authority and I was PAYE. At the same time I was employed by our taxi company and again I was PAYE. I also had my own driving business where I was self employed and completed a self assessment tax form. On this self assessment tax form I had to also put all my earnings from both employments and include the tax I had paid so that it was possible to work out how much more I owed from my self employment. So from that it can be seen that Where I worked for others I was PAYE and where I worked for myself I was self employed. Now correct me if I am wrong but by being a worker means that you are working for someone and not yourself so you should be PAYE.


If a worker cannot be self employed then they would be an employee.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:15 pm 
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Did you get holiday pay etc. from the Council and your Taxi company when you were on p.a.y.e,if not you should put in a claim.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:26 pm 
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Did you get holiday pay etc. from the Council and your Taxi company when you were on p.a.y.e,if not you should put in a claim.

Council payment was an annual allowance which you still got whilst on holiday and I am salaried with our taxi company so I get paid even when on holiday so no claims to be made.

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