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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:41 am 
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heathcote wrote:
There are a lot of ex union members in the Taxi and private hire trade who also spat their dummy out because the unions were not seen to be doing anything.


And as YOU know a Union will only ever be as good as its membership and given their Cab Drivers that makes it somewhat frustrating, seriously i have never encountered such a gormless gutless ignorant collection anywhere in my life .

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:52 am 
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NTA spit their dummy out oh yes and some :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

i am sure your frustrated by other Unions i was appalled at the procedures within the GMB still am to be truthful especially coming from the Pre Entry Closed Shop, but its about NOW and how to deal with current issues the NTA will never ever promote ANY industrial action EVER their grovellers unfortunately as you have discoverd thats not to say there is not some excellent characters in it one of whom sticks his oar in on here BUT NEVER ADVOCATES #-o #-o ACTIONS #-o #-o #-o very frustrating to me :twisted: :twisted:


Can you point me towards any industrial action that has been successful within the taxi industry.

And you once said court cases were a waste of time - you appear to forget the only success anyone has had in respect of the taxi trade has been via the judiciary.


first of all Capt let me make it clear i hold YOU in the highest regard personally for sure theres differences but so what :D

successes through the Judiciary not my preferred route as you well know but if it works and thats the choice of the membership naturally democracy will rule UBER could have been dealt with by other methods in my opinion!

Where has industrial action been successful frequently in London for hacks their demonstrations WORRY TFL considerably i have personally seen them cringe at the threat of more to come and enter negotiations because ot the threat one point Bob Crowe was a very bad loss to the Cab industry his personna and ability's are greatly missed #-o ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,within PH the threat and some limited action has got LA#s to the table and indeed many company's sackings fair reductions been prevented etc all of course subject to confidentiality clauses

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trotskys twin wrote:
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NTA spit their dummy out oh yes and some :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

i am sure your frustrated by other Unions i was appalled at the procedures within the GMB still am to be truthful especially coming from the Pre Entry Closed Shop, but its about NOW and how to deal with current issues the NTA will never ever promote ANY industrial action EVER their grovellers unfortunately as you have discoverd thats not to say there is not some excellent characters in it one of whom sticks his oar in on here BUT NEVER ADVOCATES #-o #-o ACTIONS #-o #-o #-o very frustrating to me :twisted: :twisted:


Can you point me towards any industrial action that has been successful within the taxi industry.

And you once said court cases were a waste of time - you appear to forget the only success anyone has had in respect of the taxi trade has been via the judiciary.


first of all Capt let me make it clear i hold YOU in the highest regard personally for sure theres differences but so what :D

successes through the Judiciary not my preferred route as you well know but if it works and thats the choice of the membership naturally democracy will rule UBER could have been dealt with by other methods in my opinion!

Where has industrial action been successful frequently in London for hacks their demonstrations WORRY TFL considerably i have personally seen them cringe at the threat of more to come and enter negotiations because ot the threat one point Bob Crowe was a very bad loss to the Cab industry his personna and ability's are greatly missed #-o ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,within PH the threat and some limited action has got LA#s to the table and indeed many company's sackings fair reductions been prevented etc all of course subject to confidentiality clauses


When will the NTA actually advocate any action at ALL :D

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:00 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
and the next case follows albeit bot taxi drivers

A group of food takeaway couriers working for Deliveroo are taking legal steps in the UK to gain union recognition and workers' rights.
It comes after two drivers for Uber won a tribunal case in which they argued they were workers not contractors.
If the couriers win, it could encourage thousands of those working in the so-called gig economy to seek to unionise and receive rights such as paid leave.
Deliveroo said it was committed to providing "great opportunities".
The company, which provides a delivery service on behalf of thousands of restaurants across the country, classes its riders as self-employed "independent contractors". This means they have no workers' rights such as paid holiday and the right to the minimum wage.
Billy Shannon, a rider who works for Deliveroo in Camden, north London, said riders receive £3.75 per delivery.
He added: "We don't get an hourly fee, so that means at times when there aren't that many deliveries and it is not that busy, we can be waiting for up to an hour for a delivery without getting paid a penny."
The BBC has seen a letter from the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain (IWGB), on behalf of riders in north London, asking Deliveroo for recognition for the union to bargain on behalf of the group.
Collective bargaining laws in the UK apply to those classed as workers and employees, but not independent contractors.
'Faintly ridiculous'
IWGB general secretary Dr Jason Moyer-Lee said it was seeking a collective bargaining agreement to allow the union to negotiate pay and terms and conditions with Deliveroo managers.
He added: "If Deliveroo ignores or rejects our request, then we will take them to tribunal and ask for a declaration that Deliveroo must engage in collective bargaining with us.
"To do this the tribunal will also have to decide that the Deliveroo drivers are workers and not independent contractors, which means they will also be entitled to paid holiday, minimum wage, and all the other rights associated with this employment status."


So the GMB kicked the door down and now more and more will follow through heres some suggested targets

24/7 Stansted
Add Lee
The Keen Group
Delta Cars
Tristar
Mach 1

The times they are a changing =D>

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:56 pm 
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But remember the tribunal's decision only affects the actual complainants if the companies choose to not change anything as a result then every single driver/partner/franchisee or whatever they are being told they are will have to each take the company to a tribunal at £1200 plus a time :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:24 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
But remember the tribunal's decision only affects the actual complainants if the companies choose to not change anything as a result then every single driver/partner/franchisee or whatever they are being told they are will have to each take the company to a tribunal at £1200 plus a time :wink:

But should the drivers succeed in the High Courts, then Uber and anyone else will be obliged to follow suit with any other similar applicant.

Bit like the PPI system, one or two went to court and the courts set down bench marks for others to follow.

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Do not think that is the case in the uber decision,the 2 that was put forward were so the equivalent of every licensed driver in the land,if the case failed it would be deemed to have failed for every driver,it was done no different to the miners cases for compensation.


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edders23 wrote:
But remember the tribunal's decision only affects the actual complainants if the companies choose to not change anything as a result then every single driver/partner/franchisee or whatever they are being told they are will have to each take the company to a tribunal at £1200 plus a time :wink:


WRONG :D

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:57 pm 
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trotskys twin wrote:
edders23 wrote:
But remember the tribunal's decision only affects the actual complainants if the companies choose to not change anything as a result then every single driver/partner/franchisee or whatever they are being told they are will have to each take the company to a tribunal at £1200 plus a time :wink:


WRONG :D



where does it say that the tribunal judgement applies to the rest of Ubers workforce ?

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edders23 wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
edders23 wrote:
But remember the tribunal's decision only affects the actual complainants if the companies choose to not change anything as a result then every single driver/partner/franchisee or whatever they are being told they are will have to each take the company to a tribunal at £1200 plus a time :wink:


WRONG :D



where does it say that the tribunal judgement applies to the rest of Ubers workforce ?

Paragraph 10 would seem to cover that.

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The main difference being that uber pays the driver. In traditional taxi fleets, the driver pays the company. He is a subcontractor and pays for his own tools of the trade.


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Coopers wrote:
The main difference being that uber pays the driver. In traditional taxi fleets, the driver pays the company. He is a subcontractor and pays for his own tools of the trade.

I would say nearly all taxi/PH companies have account work.

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Coopers wrote:
The main difference being that uber pays the driver. In traditional taxi fleets, the driver pays the company. He is a subcontractor and pays for his own tools of the trade.


That's a quick fix tho :wink:

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