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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:42 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:

The UK produces only 48 weeks supply of diesel as the refineries we have were built way before diesel cars got popular (you cant make diesel and petrol from the 1 barrel of oil, its 1 or the other) so we import diesel...



what are you talking about a barrel of oil contains some diesel and some petrol it is added to by smashing up and reforming the less useful fractions. Refineries produce LPG,petrol, jet fuel and diesel out of the same feedstock but it is expensive refining it in the uk that's why most of our refineries have closed or reduced their production and we have switched to importing it because that keeps the price down

many of our refineries have been rebuilt over the last 10 years to produce more diesel but the Russians can ship it to the UK cheaper than we can refine it

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:45 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
edders23 wrote:
the car industry is not geared up for mass sales of electric vehicles but it could gear up to alternatives such as LPG or LNG with the right investment in developing engines for these fuels instead of adapting engines designed to run on petrol or diesel to other fuels


they dont WANT leccy cars...leccy motors are easy fast builds by GEC and the like...Ford want to make engines, its the biggest cost in a cars build, keep it inhouse, keep the money inhouse...



yes so why not produce a new range of environmentally friendly LPG engines instead of adapting petrol ones to LPG which don't last because of the higher burn temperature of LPG ? They've done it in Australia

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:30 am 
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LPG is still a fossil fuel.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:18 am 
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grandad wrote:
LPG is still a fossil fuel.


but burns cleaner than petrol and way cleaner than diesel

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:31 am 
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In 2004 Department of Health statistics show that particulates are responsible for thousands of advanced deaths and thousands of instances of illness. NOx emissions are also a major element of low level ozone, which causes smog and can worsen existing asthma conditions.

Extensive independent tests showed that:

One diesel vehicle emits 120 times the amount of fine particles as the equivalent LPG vehicle.
It takes 20 LPG vehicles to emit the same amount of NOx as one diesel vehicle.

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Reduce your carbon footprint by running on LPG.



At the Tailpipe

LPG cars have 11% CO2 benefit



Research carried out in 2013 by Atlantic Consulting compared results for 1251 models of bi-fuel vehicles and concluded that there was an average 11% CO2 tailpipe benefit when running on LPG compared to the identical car running on petrol.



Well to Wheel – the figure calculated for LPG is considerably lower than other fuels:

Diesel is 29.2% higher than LPG
Petrol is 26.8% higher than LPG.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:26 pm 
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I don't doubt the figures, I used to run LPG powered cars.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:29 pm 
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grandad wrote:
LPG is still a fossil fuel.



as is natural gas which the government is converting our power stations to from coal but it's a less environmentally unfriendly fuel

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