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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:30 am 
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Earning a living in Cheltenham as a taxi driver is becoming increasingly difficult.

That is the view of some drivers who feel that there are now too many taxis in the town, saying they estimate there now to be in the region of 700 taxis and private hire cars operating.

One driver, who wishes remain anonymous, explained that sometimes it is possible to "sit for hours" at the ranks in town without a single fare.

Concerns are being raised that the borough council is issuing an inappropriate number of licenses in the town causing the market to saturate.

Among taxi firms across the town the consensus seems to be that they are aware of the number of cars operating, with one firm saying that there were "far too many". Another firm said that although January was quiet it is likely to pick up over the next few weeks especially as the racing season is about to get going with the Festival taking place next month.

One controller at a Cheltenham firm admitted that self-employed drivers will understandably work extra hours during race week in order to push their earning potential as it is one of the busiest weeks of the year. As to whether or not they felt there were too many cars in the town the controllers said they were aware of the issue of a large number of cars operating but that they were not fully aware of drivers being left for hours with no work.

John Kemp from the National Taxi Association said: "Normal procedure with local authorities, they are in a position to do surveys if they wish to see if there is enough [taxis]."

Mr Kemp said there is often no limit on the number of taxis operating in an area but that the number of licenses issued is often dependent upon the number of cars that can be accommodated in the rank spaces.

image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... -008_C.jpg

Mr Kemp went further and said that the number of cars available in the town "would soon find it's own level if there isn't enough work for everybody."

Louis Krog, licensing team leader at Cheltenham Borough Council said that they will be conducting a licensing policy review and in response to drivers working additional hours during busy periods he said that each driver was constrained by the Working Time Directive and that each driver should organise their working patterns to fit within that.

He said: "'The council issued 11 new hackney carriage (taxi) vehicles licences in 2016 that represents a five per cent increase for that year.


''Whilst there is a power for the council to cap the number of taxi licences that it will issue, that power is strictly related to demand for the service of taxis and there are strict evidential requirements on the council to prove the case when making a decision to cap licence numbers.

''The council will this year be embarking on a comprehensive taxi and private hire licensing policy review that will include the trade from the outset. The council considers the policy review to be the right forum to have a discussion about the council's current policy on licensing, amongst other things, taxis.

''Taxi driver working hours are regulated by the Working Time Directive and it is up to each individual taxi driver to make sure they comply with the relevant constraints on their permitted working hours.''


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:39 pm 
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Earning a living in Cheltenham as a taxi driver is becoming increasingly difficult.

That is the view of some drivers who feel that there are now too many taxis in the town, saying they estimate there now to be in the region of 700 taxis and private hire cars operating.

One driver, who wishes remain anonymous, explained that sometimes it is possible to "sit for hours" at the ranks in town without a single fare.

Concerns are being raised that the borough council is issuing an inappropriate number of licenses in the town causing the market to saturate.

Among taxi firms across the town the consensus seems to be that they are aware of the number of cars operating, with one firm saying that there were "far too many". Another firm said that although January was quiet it is likely to pick up over the next few weeks especially as the racing season is about to get going with the Festival taking place next month.

One controller at a Cheltenham firm admitted that self-employed drivers will understandably work extra hours during race week in order to push their earning potential as it is one of the busiest weeks of the year. As to whether or not they felt there were too many cars in the town the controllers said they were aware of the issue of a large number of cars operating but that they were not fully aware of drivers being left for hours with no work.

John Kemp from the National Taxi Association said: "Normal procedure with local authorities, they are in a position to do surveys if they wish to see if there is enough [taxis]."

Mr Kemp said there is often no limit on the number of taxis operating in an area but that the number of licenses issued is often dependent upon the number of cars that can be accommodated in the rank spaces.

image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... -008_C.jpg

Mr Kemp went further and said that the number of cars available in the town "would soon find it's own level if there isn't enough work for everybody."

Louis Krog, licensing team leader at Cheltenham Borough Council said that they will be conducting a licensing policy review and in response to drivers working additional hours during busy periods he said that each driver was constrained by the Working Time Directive and that each driver should organise their working patterns to fit within that.

He said: "'The council issued 11 new hackney carriage (taxi) vehicles licences in 2016 that represents a five per cent increase for that year.


''Whilst there is a power for the council to cap the number of taxi licences that it will issue, that power is strictly related to demand for the service of taxis and there are strict evidential requirements on the council to prove the case when making a decision to cap licence numbers.

''The council will this year be embarking on a comprehensive taxi and private hire licensing policy review that will include the trade from the outset. The council considers the policy review to be the right forum to have a discussion about the council's current policy on licensing, amongst other things, taxis.

''Taxi driver working hours are regulated by the Working Time Directive and it is up to each individual taxi driver to make sure they comply with the relevant constraints on their permitted working hours.''


image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... 1_W220.jpg

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Read more at http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/ar ... 8mEp8V5.99



Again a so called Licensing team leader Louis Krog makes a statement which is totally incorrect and its published in the press,this person must be made to apologise for misleading the people of Cheltenham and others.

A person in charge of Licensing must know that a TAXI driver is not governed by the Working Time Directive.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:29 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
edders23 wrote:
Earning a living in Cheltenham as a taxi driver is becoming increasingly difficult.

That is the view of some drivers who feel that there are now too many taxis in the town, saying they estimate there now to be in the region of 700 taxis and private hire cars operating.

One driver, who wishes remain anonymous, explained that sometimes it is possible to "sit for hours" at the ranks in town without a single fare.

Concerns are being raised that the borough council is issuing an inappropriate number of licenses in the town causing the market to saturate.

Among taxi firms across the town the consensus seems to be that they are aware of the number of cars operating, with one firm saying that there were "far too many". Another firm said that although January was quiet it is likely to pick up over the next few weeks especially as the racing season is about to get going with the Festival taking place next month.

One controller at a Cheltenham firm admitted that self-employed drivers will understandably work extra hours during race week in order to push their earning potential as it is one of the busiest weeks of the year. As to whether or not they felt there were too many cars in the town the controllers said they were aware of the issue of a large number of cars operating but that they were not fully aware of drivers being left for hours with no work.

John Kemp from the National Taxi Association said: "Normal procedure with local authorities, they are in a position to do surveys if they wish to see if there is enough [taxis]."

Mr Kemp said there is often no limit on the number of taxis operating in an area but that the number of licenses issued is often dependent upon the number of cars that can be accommodated in the rank spaces.

image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... -008_C.jpg

Mr Kemp went further and said that the number of cars available in the town "would soon find it's own level if there isn't enough work for everybody."

Louis Krog, licensing team leader at Cheltenham Borough Council said that they will be conducting a licensing policy review and in response to drivers working additional hours during busy periods he said that each driver was constrained by the Working Time Directive and that each driver should organise their working patterns to fit within that.

He said: "'The council issued 11 new hackney carriage (taxi) vehicles licences in 2016 that represents a five per cent increase for that year.


''Whilst there is a power for the council to cap the number of taxi licences that it will issue, that power is strictly related to demand for the service of taxis and there are strict evidential requirements on the council to prove the case when making a decision to cap licence numbers.

''The council will this year be embarking on a comprehensive taxi and private hire licensing policy review that will include the trade from the outset. The council considers the policy review to be the right forum to have a discussion about the council's current policy on licensing, amongst other things, taxis.

''Taxi driver working hours are regulated by the Working Time Directive and it is up to each individual taxi driver to make sure they comply with the relevant constraints on their permitted working hours.''
image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... 1_W220.jpg

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Read more at http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/ar ... 8mEp8V5.99



Again a so called Licensing team leader Louis Krog makes a statement which is totally incorrect and its published in the press,this person must be made to apologise for misleading the people of Cheltenham and others.

A person in charge of Licensing must know that a TAXI driver is not governed by the Working Time Directive.

On a similar note, who is this Mr Kemp from the NTA who thinks a Council often issues the number of licenses relative to the number of rank spaces available?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:38 pm 
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grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:
edders23 wrote:
Earning a living in Cheltenham as a taxi driver is becoming increasingly difficult.

That is the view of some drivers who feel that there are now too many taxis in the town, saying they estimate there now to be in the region of 700 taxis and private hire cars operating.

One driver, who wishes remain anonymous, explained that sometimes it is possible to "sit for hours" at the ranks in town without a single fare.

Concerns are being raised that the borough council is issuing an inappropriate number of licenses in the town causing the market to saturate.

Among taxi firms across the town the consensus seems to be that they are aware of the number of cars operating, with one firm saying that there were "far too many". Another firm said that although January was quiet it is likely to pick up over the next few weeks especially as the racing season is about to get going with the Festival taking place next month.

One controller at a Cheltenham firm admitted that self-employed drivers will understandably work extra hours during race week in order to push their earning potential as it is one of the busiest weeks of the year. As to whether or not they felt there were too many cars in the town the controllers said they were aware of the issue of a large number of cars operating but that they were not fully aware of drivers being left for hours with no work.

John Kemp from the National Taxi Association said: "Normal procedure with local authorities, they are in a position to do surveys if they wish to see if there is enough [taxis]."

Mr Kemp said there is often no limit on the number of taxis operating in an area but that the number of licenses issued is often dependent upon the number of cars that can be accommodated in the rank spaces.

image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... -008_C.jpg

Mr Kemp went further and said that the number of cars available in the town "would soon find it's own level if there isn't enough work for everybody."

Louis Krog, licensing team leader at Cheltenham Borough Council said that they will be conducting a licensing policy review and in response to drivers working additional hours during busy periods he said that each driver was constrained by the Working Time Directive and that each driver should organise their working patterns to fit within that.

He said: "'The council issued 11 new hackney carriage (taxi) vehicles licences in 2016 that represents a five per cent increase for that year.


''Whilst there is a power for the council to cap the number of taxi licences that it will issue, that power is strictly related to demand for the service of taxis and there are strict evidential requirements on the council to prove the case when making a decision to cap licence numbers.

''The council will this year be embarking on a comprehensive taxi and private hire licensing policy review that will include the trade from the outset. The council considers the policy review to be the right forum to have a discussion about the council's current policy on licensing, amongst other things, taxis.

''Taxi driver working hours are regulated by the Working Time Directive and it is up to each individual taxi driver to make sure they comply with the relevant constraints on their permitted working hours.''
image: http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/im ... 1_W220.jpg

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Read more at http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/ar ... 8mEp8V5.99



Again a so called Licensing team leader Louis Krog makes a statement which is totally incorrect and its published in the press,this person must be made to apologise for misleading the people of Cheltenham and others.

A person in charge of Licensing must know that a TAXI driver is not governed by the Working Time Directive.

On a similar note, who is this Mr Kemp from the NTA who thinks a Council often issues the number of licenses relative to the number of rank spaces available?

Join and you can meet him :D

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:53 pm 
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grandad wrote:
On a similar note, who is this Mr Kemp from the NTA who thinks a Council often issues the number of licenses relative to the number of rank spaces available?



They do.


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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
On a similar note, who is this Mr Kemp from the NTA who thinks a Council often issues the number of licenses relative to the number of rank spaces available?



They do.

Can't say I have ever heard of a council providing extra rank spaces when they issue new plates. We have not had any new rank spaces since I have been in the job but there have been many more plates issued.

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Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
On a similar note, who is this Mr Kemp from the NTA who thinks a Council often issues the number of licenses relative to the number of rank spaces available?



They do.

Can't say I have ever heard of a council providing extra rank spaces when they issue new plates. We have not had any new rank spaces since I have been in the job but there have been many more plates issued.



12 or 15 cars per rank space our lot go by.


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grandad wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:
grandad wrote:
On a similar note, who is this Mr Kemp from the NTA who thinks a Council often issues the number of licenses relative to the number of rank spaces available?



They do.

Can't say I have ever heard of a council providing extra rank spaces when they issue new plates. We have not had any new rank spaces since I have been in the job but there have been many more plates issued.

Have you asked for them..

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MR T wrote:
Have you asked for them..

Yes, However there is one Councillor (the chair of the licensing committee) who wants to remove some rank spaces to provide extra car or coach parking. We have 3 ranks in the town there is one in the middle of the town that you can get 4 cars on when it isn't being used by the public or delivery drivers. There is one space on the edge of the high street and a further 6 spaces within the main bus stands/car park. This is the one that they want to either reduce or get rid of completely.

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MR T wrote:
Have you asked for them..

Yes, However there is one Councillor (the chair of the licensing committee) who wants to remove some rank spaces to provide extra car or coach parking. We have 3 ranks in the town there is one in the middle of the town that you can get 4 cars on when it isn't being used by the public or delivery drivers. There is one space on the edge of the high street and a further 6 spaces within the main bus stands/car park. This is the one that they want to either reduce or get rid of completely.


that would mean a long walk to get a taxi for weatherspoons customers then :lol:

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A person in charge of Licensing must know that a TAXI driver is not governed by the Working Time Directive.

They are if they are employed.

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edders23 wrote:
Earning a living in Cheltenham as a taxi driver is becoming increasingly difficult.

That part of the country is relatively prosperous, so if drivers can't earn a living driving a cab then I suggest they look elsewhere for an occupation.

No one owes us a living.

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Sussex wrote:
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A person in charge of Licensing must know that a TAXI driver is not governed by the Working Time Directive.

They are if they are employed.

The original post makes reference to self employed drivers with no mention of employed drivers.

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Sussex wrote:
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A person in charge of Licensing must know that a TAXI driver is not governed by the Working Time Directive.

They are if they are employed.

The original post makes reference to self employed drivers with no mention of employed drivers.

I'm not questioning that, merely pointing out that the comments from the LO are not untruths.

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Sussex wrote:
I'm not questioning that, merely pointing out that the comments from the LO are not untruths.

Well it is time that the LO learned about the trade and how things are before opening his mouth.

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