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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:46 pm 
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Stick him on uber then, you seem to be all for it, however if it were my son I'd prefer he was screened off from the public there has been two high profile cases of ph divers being attacked in the last weeks, one woman punched unconscious and another guy slashed for his watch, There seems to be a high concentration of the Asian/ foreign community driving for uber in Edinburgh just an observation so there is some sort of attraction for them , I'm not sure why that should be,I've heard aslo that navigating round Edinburgh with a sat nav can lead to trouble from a best route point of view
Black taxis/ hackneys are not paved gold it's hard work, I don't think working with uber will be any easier tho in fact they seem to be growing at an alarming rate I can't see how the drivers can be making any money

There's nowt to stop your son doing both, drive ph while he learns the knowledge


I am not all for anything, I am just trying to assess the current situation from a practical point of view. I have had experience in driving PH and Taxis but many years ago and a lot has changed, especially with the technology now on offer. And I have already suggested that whatever route he wishes to go down the vehicle should be fitted with CCTV. In fact, it's a mystery to me why anyone driving a Ph/taxi would even consider driving without CCTV in the vehicle. :-|


I read it as if you had already alluded to the fact by your comments " it's just not worth it" and " I've tried to put him off" as I said he could try ph while he studies his brief, I wouldn't drive ph purely for the safety reasons, the money is not great, he'll need to work long hours to make a decent wage but this will obviously be relative to his personal situation, to drive a hack he'll have to study and pay for studying hell then have to pay about £200 for his exam and licence costs and he'll also have to pay to sit 5 modules within a year £69 each, cctv is another added expense, driving blacks is not going to make him rich nor is ph or uber. A lot guys who drive ph end up on the hacks so maybe this says something about the difference in take home money, I'm not sure how well the uber drivers do in money terms but by all accounts the Edinburgh side of the business is not great


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:40 am 
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I read it as if you had already alluded to the fact by your comments " it's just not worth it" and " I've tried to put him off" as I said he could try ph while he studies his brief, I wouldn't drive ph purely for the safety reasons, the money is not great, he'll need to work long hours to make a decent wage but this will obviously be relative to his personal situation, to drive a hack he'll have to study and pay for studying hell then have to pay about £200 for his exam and licence costs and he'll also have to pay to sit 5 modules within a year £69 each, cctv is another added expense, driving blacks is not going to make him rich nor is ph or uber. A lot guys who drive ph end up on the hacks so maybe this says something about the difference in take home money, I'm not sure how well the uber drivers do in money terms but by all accounts the Edinburgh side of the business is not great.


I appreciate your comments. It's more about the flexibility of the job which has caught his interest. The money obviously matters too but it's not like he's planning to make a full-time career out of Ph/Taxi driving. It is really just a stopgap or a stepping stone to a more rewarding career. I am not trying to denigrate anyone who drives a Ph/taxi for a living but I would imagine there are few that do the job by choice. :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:48 am 
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I suppose like most jobs it has its good and bad, It depends on your outlook and how much time you want to spend working and that's where it's unbeatable, you take holidays, ad hoc days off and finish whenever suits you, and you can work on longer when it suits, live within your means and taxing is a fantastic job, offering flexibility that no other job can offer, however becoming a slave to banks and such like will make the job miserable especally on quieter days if you have to keep chasing your tail


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:25 pm 
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blacktaxi wrote:
I suppose like most jobs it has its good and bad, It depends on your outlook and how much time you want to spend working and that's where it's unbeatable, you take holidays, ad hoc days off and finish whenever suits you, and you can work on longer when it suits, live within your means and taxing is a fantastic job, offering flexibility that no other job can offer, however becoming a slave to banks and such like will make the job miserable especally on quieter days if you have to keep chasing your tail

UNLESS you become Taxi Baron.. :D

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:21 pm 
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herbierocks wrote:
And I have already suggested that whatever route he wishes to go down the vehicle should be fitted with CCTV. In fact, it's a mystery to me why anyone driving a Ph/taxi would even consider driving without CCTV in the vehicle. :-|


You do realise the internal CCTV is encrypted and drivers have no access to the images?

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Son starts work next week on £11.50/hr 6am-2pm mon-friday. overtime is double time

Holiday pay, Bank holidays paid, training, pension, SSP (if needed), no drunks... and promotion prospects

He had just renewed his badge..................

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:55 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
herbierocks wrote:
And I have already suggested that whatever route he wishes to go down the vehicle should be fitted with CCTV. In fact, it's a mystery to me why anyone driving a Ph/taxi would even consider driving without CCTV in the vehicle. :-|


You do realise the internal CCTV is encrypted and drivers have no access to the images?

That depends on the CCTV system. If it is your own system and it is you who bought it then you will have access to the footage.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:21 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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herbierocks wrote:
And I have already suggested that whatever route he wishes to go down the vehicle should be fitted with CCTV. In fact, it's a mystery to me why anyone driving a Ph/taxi would even consider driving without CCTV in the vehicle. :-|


You do realise the internal CCTV is encrypted and drivers have no access to the images?

That depends on the CCTV system. If it is your own system and it is you who bought it then you will have access to the footage.


That might put you in breach of the DPA, it seems recording audio with the video certainly does

Council imposed systems are certainly encrypted and over £700

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:46 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
herbierocks wrote:
And I have already suggested that whatever route he wishes to go down the vehicle should be fitted with CCTV. In fact, it's a mystery to me why anyone driving a Ph/taxi would even consider driving without CCTV in the vehicle. :-|


You do realise the internal CCTV is encrypted and drivers have no access to the images?


Yeah and it seems to be expensive and not taken up by the Ph/taxi trade in general which is disappointing but typical of such a shambolic industry. However, I wonder what the position is with a body worn camera, after all, the police, council officials and parking attendants all seem to be using this type of camera for their own personal protection. You could even wear it covertly and at least that way, you would have an accurate record of what was said and done should there be any kind of an incident. Maybe that's where the Ph/taxi trade has gotten it wrong, bodyworn cameras make much more sense, at least, to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:14 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Son starts work next week on £11.50/hr 6am-2pm mon-friday. overtime is double time

Holiday pay, Bank holidays paid, training, pension, SSP (if needed), no drunks... and promotion prospects

He had just renewed his badge..................


EXACTLY!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:30 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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You do realise the internal CCTV is encrypted and drivers have no access to the images?

That depends on the CCTV system. If it is your own system and it is you who bought it then you will have access to the footage.


That might put you in breach of the DPA, it seems recording audio with the video certainly does

Council imposed systems are certainly encrypted and over £700

You may have misunderstood me. The images will be encrypted with any system but if you bought the system yourself you also get the software to enable you to view. I am also told that under certain circumstances you can record audio as well.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:24 pm 
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If you ever needed a reason for having CCTV in your vehicle or on your person, here it is...https://stv.tv/news/east-central/138237 ... st-attack/


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:52 pm 
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grandad wrote:
That depends on the CCTV system. If it is your own system and it is you who bought it then you will have access to the footage.

Providing you have the required Data Control License.

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Sussex wrote:
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That depends on the CCTV system. If it is your own system and it is you who bought it then you will have access to the footage.

Providing you have the required Data Control License.


Even with a DPA licence your LA can insist on a specific system (£700+) to which only they have access

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:09 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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That depends on the CCTV system. If it is your own system and it is you who bought it then you will have access to the footage.

Providing you have the required Data Control License.

Not for all systems. It depends on what you are recording and how you intend to use it. For instance if you have CCTV that records outside the vehicle only it is my understanding that a license may not be needed also if you have CCTV at your home looking at only your property, you don't need a license. We already have a data controller license.

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