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how much more expensive is it to ordinary distillate derv ?

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It doesn't matter, there's not enough money in it for HMRC.


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Nidge2 wrote:
It doesn't matter, there's not enough money in it for HMRC.



eh there is no difference as far as i can tell on the HMRC website

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Will it wreck our Hdi/Common rail high pressure diesel engines like biodiesel already does?

(biodiesel as in what we are already forced to buy at the pumps)

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Diesel car owners could face steeper prices at petrol pumps after the government said it was considering reversing tax cuts brought in by Gordon Brown.

Transport secretary Patrick McLoughlin said Brown had made a mistake as Labour chancellor when he cut the duty on low-sulphur diesel by 3p in his 2001 budget. Brown announced the measure ahead of that year’s general election to help meet climate change targets around carbon.

However, it has since emerged that diesel engines emit up to four times as many nitrogen oxides as petrol cars and 20 times as many particulates, which have been linked to problems in the lungs, heart and brain.

McLoughlin made the comments to the London Evening Standard, which said that 9,400 Londoners die prematurely every year from breathing the city’s polluted air.

“We have got to look at that,” McLoughlin told the newspaper. “It is something the chancellor will need to look at in due course.”

Asked if Brown had made a mistake, McLoughlin said: “Yes. In fairness they thought they were doing the right thing. The consequences of what they did was to bring about a reduction in carbon.”

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wannabeeahack wrote:
Will it wreck our Hdi/Common rail high pressure diesel engines like biodiesel already does?

(biodiesel as in what we are already forced to buy at the pumps)



No because it is essentially diesel fuel manufactured from basic building block chemicals as opposed to distilled out of crude goo should be about the best fuel to run a modern diesel on

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Diesel car owners could face steeper prices at petrol pumps after the government said it was considering reversing tax cuts brought in by Gordon Brown.

Transport secretary Patrick McLoughlin said Brown had made a mistake as Labour chancellor when he cut the duty on low-sulphur diesel by 3p in his 2001 budget. Brown announced the measure ahead of that year’s general election to help meet climate change targets around carbon.

However, it has since emerged that diesel engines emit up to four times as many nitrogen oxides as petrol cars and 20 times as many particulates, which have been linked to problems in the lungs, heart and brain.

McLoughlin made the comments to the London Evening Standard, which said that 9,400 Londoners die prematurely every year from breathing the city’s polluted air.

“We have got to look at that,” McLoughlin told the newspaper. “It is something the chancellor will need to look at in due course.”

Asked if Brown had made a mistake, McLoughlin said: “Yes. In fairness they thought they were doing the right thing. The consequences of what they did was to bring about a reduction in carbon.”



basically diesel vehicles will be priced off the road and then new research will come out showing that they were not the main culprit after all it was peoples lifestyles

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 Post subject: Re: shell GTL
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No because it is essentially diesel fuel manufactured from basic building block chemicals as opposed to distilled out of crude goo should be about the best fuel to run a modern diesel on


that'll do it.........boom

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 Post subject: Re: shell GTL
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Diesel car owners could face steeper prices at petrol pumps after the government said it was considering reversing tax cuts brought in by Gordon Brown.

Transport secretary Patrick McLoughlin said Brown had made a mistake as Labour chancellor when he cut the duty on low-sulphur diesel by 3p in his 2001 budget. Brown announced the measure ahead of that year’s general election to help meet climate change targets around carbon.

However, it has since emerged that diesel engines emit up to four times as many nitrogen oxides as petrol cars and 20 times as many particulates, which have been linked to problems in the lungs, heart and brain.

McLoughlin made the comments to the London Evening Standard, which said that 9,400 Londoners die prematurely every year from breathing the city’s polluted air.

“We have got to look at that,” McLoughlin told the newspaper. “It is something the chancellor will need to look at in due course.”

Asked if Brown had made a mistake, McLoughlin said: “Yes. In fairness they thought they were doing the right thing. The consequences of what they did was to bring about a reduction in carbon.”


What a load of nonsense! If 9,400 Londoners die prem every year - then tax/tackle the problem in that given area. This is no more than an excuse to tax the whole of the country (caused by the excesses of London), that do not have the same problem.

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 Post subject: Re: shell GTL
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So it's got nothing to do with their lifestyles then? They've got to blame it on something like the older diesel cars, buses and lorries. A 2.0litre diesel emits less pollution than a 1.2 petrol.


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Nidge2 wrote:
So it's got nothing to do with their lifestyles then? They've got to blame it on something like the older diesel cars, buses and lorries. A 2.0litre diesel emits less pollution than a 1.2 petrol.


Less CO/CO2 but more NOX

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 Post subject: Re: shell GTL
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I don't think anyone has proved Nox to be the cause of Death, I read that the figures were all based on assumption, guess work and averages rather than on direct physical proof or hard fact. It was because Nox fitted the cause but could not be proved to be the cause because the deaths were actually through other more common causes and ailments but the percentage averages were higher so they looked for something else to blame and Nox was the convenient excuse.

Just typical of the Modern world and it's Grant seeking Scientists and green vote loving politicians to always look for something to blame that invariably is not the real culprit or of something that was never mans fault at all....GW and Co2 where Nature produces more natural variation than man ever could but because there is no Votes to be gained in admitting to the factual errors the politicians feel that they have to keep beating the Green drum to scare and tax the Gullible with.

Any Bets on what'll be the Next "End of Mankind" scare story....We've had Global dimming, the Rotation of the Earth slowing down due to Tidal and wave Energy systems, Butter, Burnt Toast..etc.

My Guess is that the real cause of our Downfall will be national Bankruptcy and financial ruin due to extreme green over-taxation and Eco persecution from our own leaders as they put ever more impossible demands on us to help pay for all their insanity, we are already pricing ourselves out of work because we cant afford to go on paying for such green levies and remedies as they would foist upon us.

The real problem is that the more Green financial Burdens they heap on us the more difficult it becomes for small and large business alike to absorb the cost and to make a profit, when profits go down unemployment goes up, and the more people out of work the smaller the Working mans spend becomes which in turn puts and even bigger demand on an ever diminishing workforce to pay for both the Green Taxation, the lost tax revenue and the extra unemployment benefits of an ever larger number of people.

All that only serves to exasperate the problem, If UK and or EU Government adds any more Environmental/green financial burden at one end of the See Saw the faster the entire economy will slide off the other and fast.

I can't speak for the rest of you but I'm not in a position to either replace two perfectly serviceable nearly new Diesel vehicles or to absorb the extra price of additional green taxation, whether it be through additional Fuel tax or VED, A price hike to pay for it won't wash with my customers as they'll also be struggling to meet the extra costs of running their own cars and extra price on all goods.

You can quickly see how fast things can turn from being relatively good to extremely bad for all of us...the Government must restrain from punishing we Diesel owners, whether we be Taxi Drivers, Lorry Drivers, Van Drivers or sales reps running Diesels they must allow us to run those vehicles without punishment or disadvantage.

It is also no use phasing out the sale of new diesel vehicles rapidly as that will just reduce the need for Diesel fuel and create diesel fuel shortages and cause it's price to rocket.

Government should look again at NOX, see if it is really is beyond any doubt the big killer they say it is before they jump the gun and punish diesel owners. the numbers of deaths they band about are not huge and not even proven, why ruin the whole country for that.....I'm sure there will be many 10s of 1000s more Deaths in the UK which are caused by and attributable to our own Governments complacency through Poor NHS services, Poor Elderly Care, Hospital viruses and it's failure to tackle an obesity epidemic in the UK.

So don't fechin blame me or my Diesel.


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 Post subject: Re: shell GTL
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bloodnock wrote:
I don't think anyone has proved Nox to be the cause of Death, I read that the figures were all based on assumption, guess work and averages rather than on direct physical proof or hard fact. It was because Nox fitted the cause but could not be proved to be the cause because the deaths were actually through other more common causes and ailments but the percentage averages were higher so they looked for something else to blame and Nox was the convenient excuse.

Just typical of the Modern world and it's Grant seeking Scientists and green vote loving politicians to always look for something to blame that invariably is not the real culprit or of something that was never mans fault at all....GW and Co2 where Nature produces more natural variation than man ever could but because there is no Votes to be gained in admitting to the factual errors the politicians feel that they have to keep beating the Green drum to scare and tax the Gullible with.

Any Bets on what'll be the Next "End of Mankind" scare story....We've had Global dimming, the Rotation of the Earth slowing down due to Tidal and wave Energy systems, Butter, Burnt Toast..etc.

My Guess is that the real cause of our Downfall will be national Bankruptcy and financial ruin due to extreme green over-taxation and Eco persecution from our own leaders as they put ever more impossible demands on us to help pay for all their insanity, we are already pricing ourselves out of work because we cant afford to go on paying for such green levies and remedies as they would foist upon us.

The real problem is that the more Green financial Burdens they heap on us the more difficult it becomes for small and large business alike to absorb the cost and to make a profit, when profits go down unemployment goes up, and the more people out of work the smaller the Working mans spend becomes which in turn puts and even bigger demand on an ever diminishing workforce to pay for both the Green Taxation, the lost tax revenue and the extra unemployment benefits of an ever larger number of people.

All that only serves to exasperate the problem, If UK and or EU Government adds any more Environmental/green financial burden at one end of the See Saw the faster the entire economy will slide off the other and fast.

I can't speak for the rest of you but I'm not in a position to either replace two perfectly serviceable nearly new Diesel vehicles or to absorb the extra price of additional green taxation, whether it be through additional Fuel tax or VED, A price hike to pay for it won't wash with my customers as they'll also be struggling to meet the extra costs of running their own cars and extra price on all goods.

You can quickly see how fast things can turn from being relatively good to extremely bad for all of us...the Government must restrain from punishing we Diesel owners, whether we be Taxi Drivers, Lorry Drivers, Van Drivers or sales reps running Diesels they must allow us to run those vehicles without punishment or disadvantage.

It is also no use phasing out the sale of new diesel vehicles rapidly as that will just reduce the need for Diesel fuel and create diesel fuel shortages and cause it's price to rocket.

Government should look again at NOX, see if it is really is beyond any doubt the big killer they say it is before they jump the gun and punish diesel owners. the numbers of deaths they band about are not huge and not even proven, why ruin the whole country for that.....I'm sure there will be many 10s of 1000s more Deaths in the UK which are caused by and attributable to our own Governments complacency through Poor NHS services, Poor Elderly Care, Hospital viruses and it's failure to tackle an obesity epidemic in the UK.

So don't fechin blame me or my Diesel.


Most diesels are built in the EU......... the EU want to ban diesels

turkeys and xmas spring to mind

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 Post subject: Re: shell GTL
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wannabeeahack wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
I don't think anyone has proved Nox to be the cause of Death, I read that the figures were all based on assumption, guess work and averages rather than on direct physical proof or hard fact. It was because Nox fitted the cause but could not be proved to be the cause because the deaths were actually through other more common causes and ailments but the percentage averages were higher so they looked for something else to blame and Nox was the convenient excuse.

Just typical of the Modern world and it's Grant seeking Scientists and green vote loving politicians to always look for something to blame that invariably is not the real culprit or of something that was never mans fault at all....GW and Co2 where Nature produces more natural variation than man ever could but because there is no Votes to be gained in admitting to the factual errors the politicians feel that they have to keep beating the Green drum to scare and tax the Gullible with.

Any Bets on what'll be the Next "End of Mankind" scare story....We've had Global dimming, the Rotation of the Earth slowing down due to Tidal and wave Energy systems, Butter, Burnt Toast..etc.

My Guess is that the real cause of our Downfall will be national Bankruptcy and financial ruin due to extreme green over-taxation and Eco persecution from our own leaders as they put ever more impossible demands on us to help pay for all their insanity, we are already pricing ourselves out of work because we cant afford to go on paying for such green levies and remedies as they would foist upon us.

The real problem is that the more Green financial Burdens they heap on us the more difficult it becomes for small and large business alike to absorb the cost and to make a profit, when profits go down unemployment goes up, and the more people out of work the smaller the Working mans spend becomes which in turn puts and even bigger demand on an ever diminishing workforce to pay for both the Green Taxation, the lost tax revenue and the extra unemployment benefits of an ever larger number of people.

All that only serves to exasperate the problem, If UK and or EU Government adds any more Environmental/green financial burden at one end of the See Saw the faster the entire economy will slide off the other and fast.

I can't speak for the rest of you but I'm not in a position to either replace two perfectly serviceable nearly new Diesel vehicles or to absorb the extra price of additional green taxation, whether it be through additional Fuel tax or VED, A price hike to pay for it won't wash with my customers as they'll also be struggling to meet the extra costs of running their own cars and extra price on all goods.

You can quickly see how fast things can turn from being relatively good to extremely bad for all of us...the Government must restrain from punishing we Diesel owners, whether we be Taxi Drivers, Lorry Drivers, Van Drivers or sales reps running Diesels they must allow us to run those vehicles without punishment or disadvantage.

It is also no use phasing out the sale of new diesel vehicles rapidly as that will just reduce the need for Diesel fuel and create diesel fuel shortages and cause it's price to rocket.

Government should look again at NOX, see if it is really is beyond any doubt the big killer they say it is before they jump the gun and punish diesel owners. the numbers of deaths they band about are not huge and not even proven, why ruin the whole country for that.....I'm sure there will be many 10s of 1000s more Deaths in the UK which are caused by and attributable to our own Governments complacency through Poor NHS services, Poor Elderly Care, Hospital viruses and it's failure to tackle an obesity epidemic in the UK.

So don't fechin blame me or my Diesel.


Most diesels are built in the EU......... the EU want to ban diesels

turkeys and xmas spring to mind



The EU can take itself down if it want's...this would be a great chance for the UK to capitalise on the EU's Eco-deathwish as we are leaving anyway and do our own thing.


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