Who Can drive my licensed car(Clarity needed)as well as othe

roythebus · **Joined:** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm **Posts:** 2712

MR T wrote:

roythebus wrote:

MR T wrote:

1. you can .I can insure anything you want...that's not illegal....... regarding the police...if you have a car that is insured for a person.......is taxed...has ...a MOT..as well as a compliance pass. with no plates on it..???
2.What can the council prosecute you or her for...

Wait for the accident to happen, then you'll find out the expensive way that the driver doesn't have the licence appropriate to the vehicle. Once a p/h, always a p/h until the licence is revoked or it is withdrawn from p/h service.

The council could prosecute her for driving a p/h without a licence/ failure to display a p/h badge for starters.

How can you prosecute a normal person for not displaying a p/h badge ??
If the council remove the plate from a p/h vehicle can if still work..

I'd suggest there's been plenty of cases mentioned on here of bogus "taxi drivers" who have been caught plying for hire after their licences had expired or they didn't have one in the first place. A couple of drivers in my former area had lost their p/h licences due to medical reasons and they carried on working as though nothing happened, until they got caught and it cost them about £2.6k in fines.

If the council withdraws a plate, that is their prerogative providing they go through the due process. As for the OP wanting to use the car without plates AND letting his mrs drive, that smacks to me of someone deliberately setting out to break the law. Who is to know it's a ph car or that the driver isn't licenced to drive a ph car apart from the licencing officer and the poor sod who accepts "a lift" from the driver who then has an accident and finds they're not insured.

MR T · **Joined:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm **Posts:** 8529

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I'd suggest there's been plenty of cases mentioned on here of bogus "taxi drivers" who have been caught plying for hire after their licences had expired or they didn't have one in the first place. A couple of drivers in my former area had lost their p/h licences due to medical reasons and they carried on working as though nothing happened, until they got caught and it cost them about £2.6k in fines.

If the council withdraws a plate, that is their prerogative providing they go through the due process. As for the OP wanting to use the car without plates AND letting his mrs drive, that smacks to me of someone deliberately setting out to break the law. Who is to know it's a ph car or that the driver isn't licenced to drive a ph car apart from the licencing officer and the poor sod who accepts "a lift" from the driver who then has an accident and finds they're not insured.

Plying for hire and just driving the vehicle are not the same...
we are talking personal use not working the car....
Can a ordinary person drive a 12 seater minibus.

roythebus · **Joined:** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm **Posts:** 2712

MR T wrote:

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I'd suggest there's been plenty of cases mentioned on here of bogus "taxi drivers" who have been caught plying for hire after their licences had expired or they didn't have one in the first place. A couple of drivers in my former area had lost their p/h licences due to medical reasons and they carried on working as though nothing happened, until they got caught and it cost them about £2.6k in fines.

If the council withdraws a plate, that is their prerogative providing they go through the due process. As for the OP wanting to use the car without plates AND letting his mrs drive, that smacks to me of someone deliberately setting out to break the law. Who is to know it's a ph car or that the driver isn't licenced to drive a ph car apart from the licencing officer and the poor sod who accepts "a lift" from the driver who then has an accident and finds they're not insured.

Plying for hire and just driving the vehicle are not the same...
we are talking personal use not working the car....
Can a ordinary person drive a 12 seater minibus.

It depends on that person's licence. If it's purely for personal family and friends, yes if it's on the licence. If for hire and reward, no unless the driver has pcv entitlement. As you should be aware the law is different for private hire and hackney vehicles.

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:29 pm

Can a ordinary person drive a 12 seater minibus.

with D1 (101) yes..... upto 17 seats

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:29 pm

A minibus is a passenger carrying vehicle with a minimum of 9 and a maximum of 16 passenger seats (plus the driver's seat).
Driving licence held before 1 January 1997
If you check your licence you should find that it usually shows entitlement to drive Category D1 - this means you can drive a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats without needing an additional driving test. You should also find a code printed next to this on your licence (101) which means 'not for hire or reward'.
Not for hire or reward
Hire or reward generally means any payment in cash or kind made by or on behalf of passengers that gives them right to be carried in a vehicle.
This means you must not drive the vehicle if a fare or charge is made for the service, eg: a local bus service or even a minibus provided as a courtesy by a hotel could be interpreted as hire or reward.
To drive a minibus for hire and reward a driver must hold a vocational D1 passenger carrying vehicle licence (PCV) and will need to undertake a additional driving test via the Driving Standards Agency.
Driving licence held after 1 January 1997
If you check your licence you will notice that you do not have category D1 and therefore cannot drive a minibus without taking the additional driving test.
However, holders of a full category B (car) driving licence may drive a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats provided all the following conditions are met:
the vehicle is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body but not for hire or reward;
the driver is aged 21;
the driver has held a car (category B) licence for at least 2 years;
the driver is providing the service on a voluntary basis;
the minibus maximum weight is not more than 3.5 tonnes (or 4.25 tonnes including any specialist equipment for the carriage of disabled passengers);
if the driver is aged 70 or over, is able to meet the health standards for driving a D1 vehicle.

When driving a minibus under these conditions you may not receive any payment or consideration for doing so other than out of pocket expenses or tow any size trailer; you may only drive minibuses in this country. Drivers aged 70 or over will need to make a special application, which involves meeting higher medical standards.

MR T · **Joined:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm **Posts:** 8529

So if a council removes the plate from a P/H car is that car still licenced, if it is why remove the plate.

mancityfan · **Joined:** Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1580

MR T wrote:

So if a council removes the plate from a P/H car is that car still licenced, if it is why remove the plate.

Can a council remove the plate?

mancityfan · **Joined:** Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1580

jon123 wrote:

After going through all the procedures with my local licencing authority at no time verbally or literally was I told that my spouse could not drive my vehicle once it had been licensed .
Even when I applied for my insurance my insurance provider asked if I wanted to include my wife on the policy under social & domestic use only .
Only when I went to pick plates up from local authority(Just to add car is plate exempt ) I was then told verbally it is against the law for anyone to drive my vehicle other than licensed driver!
How does this work as insurance company is willing to insure (Double Checked)
What if i get taken ill while I am out how do i get my car back to a safe place
If this was our only car and wife needed to take kids to school etc
If i get taken suddenly ill when out with wife and a Hospital is two miles down the road she can not drive me there!
I then treble checked with a well known insurance company and they told me they were not sure where i stood on this and needed to check themselves,Came back to me and stated some local authority's issue a exemption letter for this is this so if so could someone please give full clarity on this matter as very confused and let down by local authority for not providing me with the right information from the word go!

Regards
Jon

This was one of the greatest debates ever on TDO, which showed JD at his best.
http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtop ... 07&start=0

mancityfan · **Joined:** Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1580

Oh and Trevor

Sussex · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:58 pm

mancityfan wrote:

This was one of the greatest debates ever on TDO, which showed JD at his best.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6207&start=0

And 11,000 views.

MR T · **Joined:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm **Posts:** 8529

You will notice that I let J D have the last word

Sussex · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:12 pm

MR T wrote:

You will notice that I let J D have the last word

Wise move.

MR T · **Joined:** Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:26 pm **Posts:** 8529

mancityfan wrote:

MR T wrote:

So if a council removes the plate from a P/H car is that car still licenced, if it is why remove the plate.

Can a council remove the plate?

Some do

jon123 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:31 pm **Posts:** 4

So basically the bottom line is even though my wife is insured to drive the car (only in a emergency) the council would prosecute her not me and if pulled over by the police they would not do anything!

edders23 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:51 pm

In the ORIGINAL case which established in law that spouces can't drive the PH drivers wife used his vehicle to go shopping and crashed it on the way home. The police were called and she was prosecuted by the police not the council if i remember correctly and convicted of driving without insurance and that case established the law

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