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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:31 pm 
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The main problem, which I have stated on here many times before, is the lack of national standards for PH and HC licencing and testing across the country as we have in the bus industry.

We keep reading of public safety being jeopardised, but is it really so? Are some councils' standards really that much more lax than their neighbours?

Taxi and ph drivers would I suggest regularly fail to do even a basic walk-round safety check before they drive their vehicle for the first time every day. Just doing that could improve safety standards by fixing minor defects which could turn into major problems. How many work far more hours than permitted by the working time directive? Tiredness has been recognised as a major factor in road safety, hence the need for tachographs in lorries and coaches.

Surely all drivers undergo the same CRB (or whatever it's called this week) check? Ah no, those who have recently entered the UK are not on the list so are able to slip through the net. So that causes one major concern for public safety. Maybe alter the law so that nobody can be a hc or ph driver until they've been resident here for say 2 years. But then the CRB check is only any good if those who do wrong haven't been caught yet.

My view is the whole licencing system is broken and needs a major shake-up which I thought was what the Law Commission report of a few years ago was about.



They shouldn't be allowed to work in an environment where they are in close contact with vulnerable people until they've got a 5 year checkable period within the UK.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:38 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:

They shouldn't be allowed to work in an environment where they are in close contact with vulnerable people until they've got a 5 year checkable period within the UK.



Agree.


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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Interesting article from the local Wolverhampton press, following on from the Times.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/tra ... anded-out/

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:24 pm 
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interesting how much profit the council made from cab licencing. I though taxi licencing was only allowed to cover its cost.


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:32 am 
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Sussex wrote:
Interesting article from the local Wolverhampton press, following on from the Times.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/tra ... anded-out/


Comment in the Wolverhampton press:

Express & Star comment: Concerns over taxi licensing

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/voi ... licensing/

In some respects, Wolverhampton Council’s cheap and easy system of handing out taxi licences shows great entrepreneurship.

It also underlines the fact that many local authorities feel the need to commercialise their operations in the face of continuing budget cuts.

However, there are a number of issues surrounding the city council’s licensing policy that demand closer examination.

When you consider that the amount of money the authority has brought in from cab licences has increased by £2 million over four years, it is no surprise that there is huge national interest in the issue.

There are now more than 9,000 cab drivers with Wolverhampton licences, and the vast majority of them are not operating in the city.

This raises questions over how well the council is able to monitor drivers who may be working in Weymouth, Stockport or Manchester.

Criticisms have also been voiced over the relative ease with which the council distributes licences.

There have been cases of convicted criminals being allowed licences, while in one case a driver charged with the rape of a passenger in Southampton was sold a Wolverhampton licence.

Meanwhile cab drivers who live and work in the city are finding that work drying up due to increased competition.

Eyebrows were raised a couple of years ago when the authority dropped the local knowledge test for cab drivers.

In hindsight, this now appears to have been initiated with the current system in mind. One thing is for certain, Wolverhampton Council is losing friends hand over foot as a result of its system, which bosses proudly hail as the best in the country.

And among the authority’s critics are other Labour councils, which are understandably concerned about the lack of authority they have over cab drivers with Wolverhampton licences operating in their areas.

There is an argument to suggest that Wolverhampton Council has gone too far in its zeal to make money.

It is not enough for the council to sit back and let the cash roll in while other areas are left to pick up the pieces.

Perhaps bosses need to revisit this system, and look at whether the amount of money it brings in is worth the damage that is being done to the city’s reputation.


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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:11 pm 
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Perhaps bosses need to revisit this system, and look at whether the amount of money it brings in is worth the damage that is being done to the city’s reputation.

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 3:27 pm 
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In 2018, Times journalist Andrew Norfolk wrote:
The authority’s licensing committee chairman, Alan Bolshaw, said its approach complied with relevant legislation and, by embracing digitalisation, was far more advanced that the “very traditional and rigid licensing practices” used by other local authorities.

To suggest that a minicab operator needed to have employees, drivers and vehicles in the area where it was based was a concept that belonged, he said, to the days of “long-winded and outdated processes”.

The 52 minicab operators that did not appear to exist at the four addresses were entirely legitimate. Each was, he said, represented at its registered operating base by a digital recording system, in the form of a box. “Why are there so many vehicles and drivers on the roads licensed by Wolverhampton council? Because we have the best licensing system in the UK,” he boasted.

Sad to hear that celebrated journalist Andrew Norfolk has died at the age of just 60 :sad:

Norfolk wrote the several articles at the top of the thread, which were published in the Times back in 2018 - maybe the most insightful stuff on the trade ever published in the mainstream national press :-o

Can't recall the history now, but I wouldn't be surprised if his piece on Rossendale was instrumental in putting a stop to all the cross-border HCs working from there, and also the 'intended use' policies implemented elsewhere as a consequence.

And I particularly liked his piece on Wolverhampton, and will always recall his insightful and stinging use of the word 'boasted' in relation to Wolverhamton licensing chair Alan Bolshaw - it was as much about a vanity project and municipal ego than anything else.

But Andrew Norfolk will be best remembered elsewhere for his coverage of the rape gang scandal in Rotherham and elsehwere, which was instrumental in it all coming to prominence and into the mainstream.

This is the front page of the Times in 2011 when he broke the story. Below that is a full obituary in the Times, which details the whole thing:

https://dd8ldndb0p7jk0.archive.is/lB8n5 ... 25fe4.webp

https://archive.is/lB8n5


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 8:28 pm 
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He was one of a very select few who wouldn't give up on those girls who had been raped by the mainly Pakistani gangs.

The phrase 'conspiracy of silence' has never been more apt.

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