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So call sheffield and ask. But those three hundred extra cabs are not driving themselves.



Even I worked that one out, but it still says nothing about driver numbers.


More cabs +More drivers = less average takings. How could it be any other way?


The point is that there needn't be more drivers as suggested by your methodology.

If you won't acknowledge that now then you clearly never will.

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As has been stated before....


I think the expression is ad nauseum ](*,) :lol:

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More cabs +More drivers = less average takings. How could it be any other way?

As has been stated before the number of cabs is irrelevant.

Thus your formula is fundamentally flawed ( :D ), as you can have 1000's of extra cabs, but without drivers they don't go too far. :wink:


You state that the number of cabs is not relevant, but not why.

Sheffield. Cab numbers up, driver numbers up, takings, up? 2+2=5? :roll:


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Sheffield. Cab numbers up, driver numbers up, takings, up? 2+2=5? :roll:

So are all those extra cars just sitting around doing nothing?

Or could they be being driven by drivers earning money for themselves, as opposed to earning for someone else?

And could all the doom and scare mongers be the folks that have milked the trade for many years, but thanks to the council can't anymore?

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Sheffield. Cab numbers up, driver numbers up, takings, up? 2+2=5? :roll:


For the umpteenth time, you're just assuming driver numbers are up, you haven't proffered any evidence.

I know you haven't read M&R yet, but what it wrong with the logic of the following:

However, a simple three-stage hypothetical example demonstrates the often grossly misleading nature of any analysis of bare taxi numbers:

· A town has 100 taxis driven by 200 drivers, with each taxi driven by one driver during the day and one driver at night.
· The town de-restricts taxi numbers and each driver takes the opportunity to run his own vehicle. The number of taxis thus doubles to 200. Shocked by the huge increase in the number of vehicles, the town’s licensing authority decides to re-restrict taxi numbers.
· The town depends on one major employer, and this firm closes down, making thousands unemployed. Consequently, each of the town’s 200 taxi owners manages to recruit another driver.

Moving from the first to second scenario has doubled the number of taxis, but supply has not changed – each driver still has the same amount of work and the same takings at the end of the shift. Moving from the second to third scenario has not changed the number of taxis, but supply has doubled, and each driver’s job count has halved, as has his takings (assuming no decrease in demand).


And after that the paper goes on to argue that this isn't the end of the story, and that there can be a shift from PH to taxi, but the point is that using the number of taxi numbers to measure supply can grossly exaggerate numbers.

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And this would be GOOD?


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And this would be GOOD?

Well it hasn't done the thriving PH market any harm. :wink:

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And this would be GOOD?


I just had to ask twice. Takings HALVED is GOOD?


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And this would be GOOD?

Well it hasn't done the thriving PH market any harm. :wink:


NO? What about the Lincoln PH petition.

Guymers, Gambles, ABC, A2B, Acorn, City, Sams, Central. To name but a few tits up PH companies.


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And this would be GOOD?


I just had to ask twice. Takings HALVED is GOOD?




Well you clearly haven't read it Jimbo.

What it says it that doubling the number of taxis needn't affect takings in the slightest, whereas leaving the number of taxis the same could lead to takings being halved.

I certainly don't want the latter to happen.

The point being made is that the simple number of taxis can be grossly misleading.

Have a look at the numbers from Dundee - taxi numbers reducing, but driver numbers up.

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NO? What about the Lincoln PH petition.

Well they are a bunch of pratts, quite simple really.

Now if they need to spend thousands on a lawyer and brief to explain them the law, then so be it.

Me I would rather spend it on a nice hotel somewhere hot.

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Guymers, Gambles, ABC, A2B, Acorn, City, Sams, Central. To name but a few tits up PH companies.

I couldn't give a monkeys about firms. If they have gone then I very much doubt their ex customers now walk.

In other words they have gone to other firms, along with their drivers.

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Guymers, Gambles, ABC, A2B, Acorn, City, Sams, Central. To name but a few tits up PH companies.

I couldn't give a monkeys about firms. If they have gone then I very much doubt their ex customers now walk.

In other words they have gone to other firms, along with their drivers.


So you don't work for a firm then? don't drivers need an office down there? (are they using "Taxi-call?)

It's called churn rate, Sussex.

Love to chat more, but I've got to go. :roll: :wink:


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So you don't work for a firm then? don't drivers need an office down there? (are they using "Taxi-call?)

Of course I work with a firm, but if that firm went under then I would go and work with another one.

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